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January 20th, 2015 at 1:17:03 PM permalink
From Press of AC
"Air Canada will launch summer service between Toronto and Atlantic City International Airport, giving the resort direct access to the Canadian market for lucrative international tourists.The new air service will be partly underwritten by a pledge of $705,000 in yearly subsidies from the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, the state agency that oversees Atlantic City tourism and development projects...Air Canada will start by flying four days per week from Toronto between Memorial Day and Labor Day, but may add flights from Montreal if demand proves strong"
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January 20th, 2015 at 3:18:33 PM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

From Press of AC
"Air Canada will launch summer service between Toronto and Atlantic City International Airport, giving the resort direct access to the Canadian market for lucrative international tourists.The new air service will be partly underwritten by a pledge of $705,000 in yearly subsidies from the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, the state agency that oversees Atlantic City tourism and development projects...Air Canada will start by flying four days per week from Toronto between Memorial Day and Labor Day, but may add flights from Montreal if demand proves strong"



The Toronto TV anchormen will have a tough job to report the bad news first, then the good news next.


First, here is the bad news:
An AC homeless lady butchered our 2 Toronto residents to death near Bally's casino in Atlantic City. Click the link and read the details.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/atlantic-city-stabbing-victim-was-orchestra-member-1.831302


Next, here is the good news:
The Atlantic City Casino Authority will pay Air Canada in the amount of $705,000 to fly our residents to AC... To fly or not to fly to AC, it's all up to you. Click the link and read the details.
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/air-canada-to-fly-to-a-c-from-toronto/article_79025324-a0e5-11e4-a4c9-ef00b6ec05d9.html
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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January 20th, 2015 at 4:40:25 PM permalink
That is a good start.
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January 20th, 2015 at 4:53:27 PM permalink
"The Atlantic City Casino Authority will pay Air Canada in the amount of $705,000 to fly our residents to AC"

Beats the infamous "Greyhound Therapy"- govt subsidized transport of Homeless to AC

http://prospect.org/article/greyhound-therapy
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January 20th, 2015 at 5:07:47 PM permalink
Well hope they have the $2.1 million handy to pay AIR CANADA when they can not fill the planes

People from the metro Toronto area will be able to catch a flight out of Buffalo to VEGAS and back cheaper..so where would you go?

Give you and idea how expensive AIR CANADA is I just did a search Toronto to Philly and back July 2- 6 $840 or so

same exact dates but using DELTA guess how much it was? less than half price at $412 but its not direct its via New York
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January 20th, 2015 at 5:41:50 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

Well hope they have the $2.1 million handy to pay AIR CANADA when they can not fill the planes

People from the metro Toronto area will be able to catch a flight out of Buffalo to VEGAS and back cheaper..so where would you go?

Give you and idea how expensive AIR CANADA is I just did a search Toronto to Philly and back July 2- 6 $840 or so

same exact dates but using DELTA guess how much it was? less than half price at $412 but its not direct its via New York



100-120 degree desert vs oceanfront/ bayfront rooms?

This is the 1 time of year AC has a chance to compete.
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January 20th, 2015 at 5:54:26 PM permalink
No one is flying to "AC" for 2X the price of Vegas.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 20th, 2015 at 5:55:50 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

No one is flying to "AC" for 2X the price of Vegas.




add in the extra cost of rooms in AC during the summer and well its really expensive
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:04:43 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

No one is flying to "AC" for 2X the price of Vegas.



I am a very frequent flyer, in my experience, Airline tickets are based simply on supply & demand, if the planes are fairly empty you'll be able to fly Toronto>AC for <$100 1way , if the planes are near full, you'll pay a few hundred or more if you covet a unique oceanfront gambling destination in summer.

Not saying AC can ever compete w/ Vegas, but some of us beach creatures possess a different mindset in summer- not for eveyone-if you're one of us - you may pay more to be on the ocean-

I live near the ocean & our local junket flt co suspends flts to Vegas in summer because it's the only few mos. a year we'd rather be here vs Vegas
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:04:53 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

add in the extra cost of rooms in AC during the summer and well its really expensive

Don't forget the cost from the airport to the casinos.

Also im pro AC. I hate people dogging on it. I haven't experienced the crime ridden experience people talk about. Anytime a casino in the USA fails it stings me.
Gambling should be americas pass time.
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:07:17 PM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

I am a very frequent flyer, in my experience, Airline tickets are based simply on supply & demand, if the planes are fairly empty you'll be able to fly Toronto>AC for <$100 1way , if the planes are near full, you'll pay a few hundred or more if you covet a unique oceanfront gambling destination in summer.

Not saying AC can ever compete w/ Vegas, but some of us beach creatures possess a different mindset in summer- if you're one of us - you may pay more to be on the ocean-




tell me how many times you have flown out of CANADA on a Canadian Airline? $100 might cover the taxes and fees not the ticket
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:08:38 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

tell me how many times you have flown out of CANADA on a Canadian Airline? $100 might cover the taxes and fees not the ticket



It's why I try to fly out of Seattle when I can....
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:15:27 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

add in the extra cost of rooms in AC during the summer and well its really expensive



agreed...I think the idea is to pull in some Canadian players with means, capable of paying the frieght or qualified at CET casinos like Windsor- to dump $ in AC casinos- I don't think it was intended to lure the avg "Jean" -Eh?
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:19:34 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

tell me how many times you have flown out of CANADA on a Canadian Airline? $100 might cover the taxes and fees not the ticket



I have flown Air Canada - ridiculous fees -but don't you have to add that ridiculous cost to any ticket- incl Vegas?

(I wont set foot in the UK since they charge you like $400 taxes and fees to leave!)
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:25:50 PM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

agreed...I think the idea is to pull in some Canadian players with means, capable of paying the frieght or qualified at CET casinos like Windsor- to dump $ in AC casinos- I don't think it was intended to lure the avg "Jean" -Eh?




The ones that are traveling to gamble are heading to LAS VEGAS ... beaches are all around the Toronto area ... to the north of there is cottage country. VERY few are heading to the beach of Atlantic City unless they own a property there.

Not many travel to Windsor either with the FALLS less than half the travel time away
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:39:49 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

The ones that are traveling to gamble are heading to LAS VEGAS ... beaches are all around the Toronto area ... to the north of there is cottage country. VERY few are heading to the beach of Atlantic City unless they own a property there.

Not many travel to Windsor either with the FALLS less than half the travel time away



OK, OK

I'm done defending the virtues of AC & A REAL OCEAN in summer- won't take this any further.

I fear for INTheKnowBob's health (i.e. dying of laughter), if I got kicked off a board I started -so we'd be able to be critical of AC -as a result of defending AC

Uncle.
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January 20th, 2015 at 7:43:36 PM permalink
Over/under 6 months in operation in AC. Over/under average paying fare per flight 13.5.

It's been tried before and failed miserably. What makes this any different. Same stupid failures over and over again. Someone's making money on these "subsidizes"g
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January 20th, 2015 at 8:04:26 PM permalink
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Over/under 6 months in operation in AC. Over/under average paying fare per flight 13.5.

It's been tried before and failed miserably. What makes this any different. Same stupid failures over and over again. Someone's making money on these "subsidizes"g


The French Canadian tourism contributes about 13% to Cape Mays counties tourism.
I don't doubt that they can attract some of these tourists with reasonable airfare. I just wonder how many will rent a car and continue on down the Parkway to the Wildwoods. For the most part these are families and we all know how much more family friendly many other shore towns are then A.C.
Has anyone seen any French Canadians in A.C? I don't believe I have.
On the plus side maybe I can get cheap airfare to Quebec, always wanted to visit.
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January 20th, 2015 at 8:05:05 PM permalink
Quote: Intheknow

Over/under 6 months in operation in AC. Over/under average paying fare per flight 13.5.

It's been tried before and failed miserably. What makes this any different. Same stupid failures over and over again. Someone's making money on these "subsidizes"g



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January 20th, 2015 at 8:19:39 PM permalink
"Has anyone seen any French Canadians in A.C? I don't believe I have."

I hesitate to put forth the idea, based upon extensive experience in the Caribbean & elsewhere, that there is a vast difference between the fun loving nature of the gentleman(woman?) poster from Toronto, we engaged with on this thread, vs.potential French Canadian interests in our unholy "Atlantic City".

coilman? dissent -or agree?
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January 20th, 2015 at 9:52:06 PM permalink
Several years ago Wildwood was a destination resort for many French Canadians. They stood out on the beach by their skimpy bathing suites.
http://m.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/press/cape_may/cape-may-county-goes-long-way-to-attract-canadians/article_f3c08e27-e870-5d2f-b937-387a99a5a259.html?mode=jqm
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January 21st, 2015 at 7:13:13 AM permalink
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From Press of AC
"Air Canada will launch summer service between Toronto and Atlantic City International Airport, giving the resort direct access to the Canadian market for lucrative international tourists.The new air service will be partly underwritten by a pledge of $705,000 in yearly subsidies from the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, the state agency that oversees Atlantic City tourism and development projects...Air Canada will start by flying four days per week from Toronto between Memorial Day and Labor Day, but may add flights from Montreal if demand proves strong"



I was gonna take a look at fares.
Although I am a corporate travel agent based in the USA.
I do have Canadian clients I book and ticket in Canada.
Yes I have been trained on the myriad of canadian taxes.
Anyway.
Flights not loaded into the system yet so I have no idea of cost :-(
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January 21st, 2015 at 7:25:43 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

I was gonna take a look at fares.
Although I am a corporate travel agent based in the USA.
I do have Canadian clients I book and ticket in Canada.
Yes I have been trained on the myriad of canadian taxes.
Anyway.
Flights not loaded into the system yet so I have no idea of cost :-(



Official deal is still pending final approval.

They plan to fly a 74 passenger turbo prop- vs the former failed larger aircraft service "The smaller turboprop plane is a better aircraft for a start-up route instead of using a large jet, as WestJet did between Atlantic City and Toronto, Mullins added."

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/air-canada-to-fly-to-a-c-from-toronto/article_79025324-a0e5-11e4-a4c9-ef00b6ec05d9.html
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January 21st, 2015 at 7:47:24 AM permalink
Quote: coilman


Give you and idea how expensive AIR CANADA is I just did a search Toronto to Philly and back July 2- 6 $840 or so

same exact dates but using DELTA guess how much it was? less than half price at $412 but its not direct its via New York



Context for color. Here's an Orbitz search for those dates from YYZ to PHL:


Note: Any flight to Philly for the 4th of July weekend will be somewhat inflated - Liberty Bell and Independence Hall and all that:-)
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