davevegas03
Posted by davevegas03
May 07, 2014

Is it simple

I have a home made system that I want to try in WinCraps. I have done some research on the craps tester through this website and understand some of the things it can do. My system is simple enough, it is based on parlaying the pass or don't pass. The system tries to follow trends, I know, and the number of time of parlaying a bet is different based on how many losses have happened. Also the wager is increased but not in unified way. So my question is this can I easily set up a program to follow the trends of pass and don't pass and the increases the wager and parlying to fit a system I came up with down below? Also can I leave the program running and let run while I'm away?


Bet Parlay

1. 5 2x
2. 5 2x
3. 5 2x
4. 7 2x
5. 9 2x
6. 6 3x
7. 7 3x
8. 8. 3x
9. 9 3x
10. 5 4x
11. 5 4x
12. 6 4x


It continues for a hundred bets. Wagers and parlays differ as I go up the series. If a pass happens then the next bet is on the pass and if the decion is don't pass then the bet is on the don't pass. This is an easy system but I don't know if I have explained it right.
Here is an example

Roll
1. 6 point
2. 3
3. 8
4. 6 win

so now I bet the pass line for 2x with the first bet
Now if a don't pass happens then I switch to the don't pass with bet number 2 for a chance of 2 don't passes. No matter where I am on the betting progression when a win is complete on the number of parlay I restart my progression at the first bet. I hope that explains my system enough to answer my question.

Thanks

Comments

mustangsally
mustangsally May 07, 2014

So my question is this

#1) can I easily set up a program to follow the trends of pass and don't pass

A) WinCraps already tracks the trends of bets that have won or lost.

could you easily set it up?

I can so anyone can.



Plus Steen (WinCraps Daddy) hangs out here too! ;)



#2) and the increases the wager and parlying to fit a system I came up with down below?

A) yes, yes and yes yes yes



#3) Also can I leave the program running and let run while I'm away?

A) yes, yes

in hyper-drive after paying for the registration I think (it is almost free)



I might hesitate to do this if you might think your computer would get lonely

and not finish the task it will be doing



Have fun!

Sally

davevegas03
davevegas03 May 08, 2014

Good to know thanks for taking the time to respond

mustangsally
mustangsally May 08, 2014

what version do you plan on using?

Classic has an auto-roll feature that is not currently in Pro (They both can run high speed simulations)

It rolls the dice until an event happens and you get to select one or many.

I really like that feature in Classic



If you are more specific on the total number of bets and their amount and # of parlays for each bet step

I could show you how I would code that to work for you.



Is this right?

Bet #1 = $5 on pass

if bet wins parlay

if bet lost go to bet #2 and now bet $5 on dpass as it just won

if dpass wins parlay

if lost

go to bet #3 and now bet $5 on pass as it just won

and so on

when a bet wins the parlay bet go back to bet #1 and is that for the bet that won?



Your system scared me right a way as I found myself at the 7th bet needing to win 3 bets in a row on the pass

I did and was happy to start over



Is there a reason why you are not including an odds bet?

Sally

mustangsally
mustangsally May 08, 2014

I had some fun time today

So I made a quick program 4u in WC Classic

see if you can follow what is going on



use this with the auto-roll feature and have fun if you get that far

I think I did it right



BTW,

You have to make this yourself in Classic

you can not just copy/paste what I posted



For Pro,

a counter needs to be made for the bet wins to re-set them

I may do that if you use Pro if you want any help



When . . .

Initializing Auto-Bet

then . . .

Set Auto-Take Full Odds to False

Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Parlay"

Name Chip-Stack # 1 as "pass-dpass-bet (1,0)"

Bet $ 1 on Chip-Stack # 1

Name Chip-Stack # 20 as "bet pointer"

Bet $ 21 on Chip-Stack # 20

Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 21

Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 22

Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 23

Bet $ 7 on Chip-Stack # 24

Bet $ 9 on Chip-Stack # 25

Bet $ 6 on Chip-Stack # 26

Bet $ 7 on Chip-Stack # 27

Bet $ 8 on Chip-Stack # 28

Bet $ 9 on Chip-Stack # 29

Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 30

Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 31

Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 32

Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Pass Line

Go to "end"

'handle WIN

While . . .

Pass Line has won 2 times

Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 26

or while . . .

Pass Line has won 3 times

Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 25

Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 30

or while . . .

Pass Line has won 4 times

Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 29

then . . .

'reset pass line win

Bet $ 21 on Chip-Stack # 20

Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Pass Line

Reset wins / losses on Pass Line

Go to "status"

While . . .

Don't Pass has won 2 times

Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 26

or while . . .

Don't Pass has won 3 times

Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 25

Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 30

or while . . .

Don't Pass has won 4 times

Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 29

then . . .

'reset don't pass win

Bet $ 21 on Chip-Stack # 20

Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Don't Pass

Reset wins / losses on Don't Pass

Go to "status"

'handle LOSS

While . . .

Pass Line has lost each time

Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 32

then . . .

Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 20

Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Don't Pass

Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 1

Go to "status"

While . . .

Don't Pass has lost each time

Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 32

then . . .

Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 20

Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Pass Line

Bet $ 1 on Chip-Stack # 1

status

end



Sally

this is a very scary progression IMO

also, the probability of winning a parlay and having a win and starting over can be calculated exactly

that would be another project once you have your total bet list established and a bankroll

mustangsally
mustangsally May 08, 2014

I had a bit of help setting this up for Pro

If

Initializing script

Then

AutoTake full odds = false :

AutoHandle Winning bets = "Parlay" :

Name cs0.parlaysWon as "parlays won" :

Name cs1 as "pass-dpass-bet (1,-1)" :

Bet $1 on cs1 :

Name cs2.passLineWins as "pass line wins" :

Name cs3.dontPassWins as "don't pass wins" :

Name cs20.betPointer as "bet pointer" :

Bet $21 on cs20.betPointer :

Bet $5 on cs21 :

Bet $5 on cs22 :

Bet $5 on cs23 :

Bet $7 on cs24 :

Bet $9 on cs25 :

Bet $6 on cs26 :

Bet $7 on cs27 :

Bet $8 on cs28 :

Bet $9 on cs29 :

Bet $5 on cs30 :

Bet $5 on cs31 :

Bet $5 on cs32 :

Bet 100% of cs(cs20.betPointer) on PassLine :

GoTo "end" EndIf

If

PassLine wins = False And PassLine loses = False

And DontPass wins = False And DontPass loses = False Then

GoTo "end"

EndIf

'win trends

If PassLine wins Then add 1 to cs2.passLineWins

If PassLine loses Then cs2.passLineWins = 0 EndIf

EndIf

If DontPass wins Then add 1 to cs3.dontPassWins

If DontPass loses Then cs3.dontPassWins = 0 EndIf

EndIf

'handle WIN

If

cs2.passLineWins = 2 And

cs20.betPointer is less than $26

Or

cs2.passLineWins = 3 And

cs20.betPointer is greater than $25 And

cs20.betPointer is less than $30

Or

cs2.passLineWins = 4 And

cs20.betPointer is greater than $29

Then

'reset pass line win

Bet $21 on cs20.betPointer :

Bet 100% of cs(cs20.betPointer) on PassLine :

cs2.passLineWins = 1 :

Add $1 to cs0.parlaysWon :

GoTo "status"

EndIf

If

cs3.dontPassWins = 2 And

cs20.betPointer is less than $26

Or

cs3.dontPassWins = 3 And

cs20.betPointer is greater than $25 And

cs20.betPointer is less than $30

Or

cs3.dontPassWins = 4 And

cs20.betPointer is greater than $29

Then

'reset don't pass win

Bet $21 on cs20.betPointer :

Bet 100% of cs(cs20.betPointer) on DontPass :

cs3.dontPassWins = 1 :

Add $1 to cs0.parlaysWon :

GoTo "status"

EndIf

'handle LOSS

If

PassLine loses And

cs20.betPointer is less than $32

Then

Add $1 to cs20.betPointer :

Bet 100% of cs(cs20.betPointer) on DontPass :

Bet - 1 on cs1 :

GoTo "status"

EndIf

If

DontPass loses And

cs20.betPointer is less than $32

Then

Add $1 to cs20.betPointer :

Bet 100% of cs(cs20.betPointer) on PassLine :

Bet $1 on cs1 :

GoTo "status"

EndIf

: "status" :

If

PassLine is equal to $0 And

DontPass is equal to $0

Then

Stop AutoRolling / HyperDrive

EndIf

: "end" :


you can copy/paste this right into Pro

I open the check stack window and place it next to the table so I can see it



This should give you an idea on how the code can be setup and how it works.

just save different versions in your folder when you make changes



have fun!

I did

Sally

davevegas03
davevegas03 May 09, 2014

First off amazing help! I plan on getting the classic version. To answer your question on my system. Yes if I'm on the Pass and a Don't pass causes me to loose I switch sides. You can play my system anyway you want. Ie you could bet oppisite of what was decided last game. My system dose not reduce the house advantage but lets a person play a long long LONG time for a little bankroll. Pen and paper are needed at the table. I tried to keep it as simple as possible but with the length of the progression and the number of parlays switching I can't keeep up.



If you play at a table with other players placing bets and talking it takes sometime between rolls. I know the game can move fast once all the bets are place like inside and outside prop and others; but if a 7 out ocures and then they have to take it all down or the game heats up the number of rolls per minute decresses. I have found a craps machine in the Quad, a new casino on the strip, it replaced O'Sheas casino this year. There are 2 different ones there. A big noisey slow moving machine that malfunctions about one in 20 rolls. This machine I have seen post on Youtube but in the Quad there as you walk in from the south etrance look right and there is a group of machines all automated table games. The range from BJ roulett and craps. The craps machine moves fast, is quiet, and doesn't mafuncition. Oh one huge difference is the first machine goes from 3-30 dollar bets where as the second goes from 3-500 bet.





Here is the progression. Key note, lets say you are on bet level 55 and leave the table for what ever reason you need to start at the 56th bet and run to the end of the progression. Dice do not have a memory so you can leave and stay gone for days or weeks and still have the same chance of winning as if you stayed the first time. I hope that you see it is the safest progression system out there.



Bet Parlay



1. 5 2

2. 5 2

3. 5 2

4. 7 2

5. 9 2

6. 6 3

7. 7. 3

8. 8 3

9. 9 3

10. 11 3

11. 12 3

12. 14 3

13. 8 4

14. 9 4

15. 9 4

16. 10 4

17. 10 4

18. 11 4

19. 12 4

20. 13 4

21. 8 5

22. 8 5

23. 8 5

24. 8 5

25. 8 5

26. 8 5

27. 8 5

28. 8 5

29. 9 5

30. 9 5

31. 9 5

32. 10 5

33. 10 5

34. 10 5

35. 10 5

36. 6 6

37. 6 6

38. 6 6

39. 6 6

40. 6 6

41. 6 6

42. 6 6

43. 6 6

44. 6 6

45. 7 continue with 6 parlays till the end

46. 7

47. 7

48. 7

49. 7

50. 7

51. 7

52. 7

53. 7

54. 8

55. 8

56. 8

57. 8

58. 8

59. 8

60. 8

61. 8

62. 9

63. 9

64. 9

65. 9

66. 9

67. 9

68. 9

69. 10

70. 10

71. 10

72. 10

73. 10

74. 10

75. 10

76. 11

77. 11

78. 11

79. 11

80. 11

81. 12

82. 12

83. 12

84. 12

85. 12

86. 12

87. 13

88. 13

89. 13

90. 13

91. 13

92. 14

93. 14

94. 14

95. 14

96. 15

97. 15

98. 15

99. 15

100. 16





I did not have the time to provide all the math so you could see profits on each level. As to the question why don't I take ODDS is because it is a parlay system and a lot of of pass and don't pass are decided on the come out roll. I would miss maximizing my profits



Again THANK YOU

mustangsally
mustangsally May 09, 2014

" I plan on getting the classic version."



Plan no more

You can download both versions and use them.

I think the only feature that does not work is the auto-betting in hyper-drive (I could be wrong here)

That way you can play your method and start on the programming.



Your system is also easily computed (say in excel) to see the probability of not winning a progression over 100 bets

meaning a total bankroll loss

I show that to be 0.01566752

or about 1 in 63.82631071



that will have to wait until next week at the earliest to finalize (I did it real fast because the weekend is here)

more fun to play than do a lot of math (a little math is fine)

Sally

davevegas03
davevegas03 May 09, 2014

I was tiered last night and did not have time to show the profit made after each progression was complete. The total bankroll is just under a 1,000 dollars. So in doing the math the average hit was 38 dollar profit. I have run this system through some craps games on the computer and had to go to the 92cd level of progression twice in 1,600 games. Not 1,600 rolls but games.



It all looks very boring on paper but when I was at the table playing with real money and the pace was fast and I was down only 60 dollars. I found myself having to parlay a small amount more than twice it was not such a boring system after all. I have play other systems on my tester before and all crash with in 100 games or so.



That is why I am going to get WinCraps and run the system there. So far I am at a 50 dollar an hour win at the real casinos. I have only logged 2 and half hours so far so IT IS WAY TOO EARLY for this to give me a real estimation of what to expect. Feel free to try it and see if there is a better number sequence out there. I have been working on the sequence for months. I have limited math skills so its all been trail and error. I do thank you for your time.

mustangsally
mustangsally May 10, 2014

here is a link to an online folder of mine

http://1drv.ms/1kW1Tq1



the 2 files you want are (you can look at any of them. sorry, No viruses or porn to be found)



1) pass-dpass-parlay-progression-1.bet

(this is the Classic auto-bet file I made)

It was easy for me. Just a lot of copy/paste and changing the bet to be made

I think I followed your rules correctly



I also ran a 1000 session sim where the code plays until you lose bet #100

then it resets for the next session

That file (Games Log) is this one

2) pass-dpass-parlay-progression-1.glg

it collects lots of stats for you



Hope you have fun with all this

This would be more fun IMO to play with $1 instead of $5. maybe on a craps machine.

I play scared when I gamble, but do have fun



The math I did (in Excel) says you have a

28.25% (less than 3 in 10) chance of doubling your starting bankroll (949) before the first bankroll ruin.

of course, it would be awful to play and lose before any one of your parlays even wins

That happens as I posed before about 1 in 63.8 attempts

with a probability of 0.01566752

(the sim I ran agrees)



win streaks are streaky!

they can disappear for long stretches at a time

not much can be done about it



This was fun

Thanks

and do have fun

Sally