Posted by davevegas03
May 07, 2014
May 07, 2014
Is it simple
I have a home made system that I want to try in WinCraps. I have done some research on the craps tester through this website and understand some of the things it can do. My system is simple enough, it is based on parlaying the pass or don't pass. The system tries to follow trends, I know, and the number of time of parlaying a bet is different based on how many losses have happened. Also the wager is increased but not in unified way. So my question is this can I easily set up a program to follow the trends of pass and don't pass and the increases the wager and parlying to fit a system I came up with down below? Also can I leave the program running and let run while I'm away?Bet Parlay
1. 5 2x
2. 5 2x
3. 5 2x
4. 7 2x
5. 9 2x
6. 6 3x
7. 7 3x
8. 8. 3x
9. 9 3x
10. 5 4x
11. 5 4x
12. 6 4x
It continues for a hundred bets. Wagers and parlays differ as I go up the series. If a pass happens then the next bet is on the pass and if the decion is don't pass then the bet is on the don't pass. This is an easy system but I don't know if I have explained it right.
Here is an example
Roll
1. 6 point
2. 3
3. 8
4. 6 win
so now I bet the pass line for 2x with the first bet
Now if a don't pass happens then I switch to the don't pass with bet number 2 for a chance of 2 don't passes. No matter where I am on the betting progression when a win is complete on the number of parlay I restart my progression at the first bet. I hope that explains my system enough to answer my question.
Thanks
Comments
So my question is this
#1) can I easily set up a program to follow the trends of pass and don't pass
A) WinCraps already tracks the trends of bets that have won or lost.
could you easily set it up?
I can so anyone can.
Plus Steen (WinCraps Daddy) hangs out here too! ;)
#2) and the increases the wager and parlying to fit a system I came up with down below?
A) yes, yes and yes yes yes
#3) Also can I leave the program running and let run while I'm away?
A) yes, yes
in hyper-drive after paying for the registration I think (it is almost free)
I might hesitate to do this if you might think your computer would get lonely
and not finish the task it will be doing
Have fun!
Sally
Good to know thanks for taking the time to respond
what version do you plan on using?
Classic has an auto-roll feature that is not currently in Pro (They both can run high speed simulations)
It rolls the dice until an event happens and you get to select one or many.
I really like that feature in Classic
If you are more specific on the total number of bets and their amount and # of parlays for each bet step
I could show you how I would code that to work for you.
Is this right?
Bet #1 = $5 on pass
if bet wins parlay
if bet lost go to bet #2 and now bet $5 on dpass as it just won
if dpass wins parlay
if lost
go to bet #3 and now bet $5 on pass as it just won
and so on
when a bet wins the parlay bet go back to bet #1 and is that for the bet that won?
Your system scared me right a way as I found myself at the 7th bet needing to win 3 bets in a row on the pass
I did and was happy to start over
Is there a reason why you are not including an odds bet?
Sally
I had some fun time today
So I made a quick program 4u in WC Classic
see if you can follow what is going on
use this with the auto-roll feature and have fun if you get that far
I think I did it right
BTW,
You have to make this yourself in Classic
you can not just copy/paste what I posted
For Pro,
a counter needs to be made for the bet wins to re-set them
I may do that if you use Pro if you want any help
When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
then . . .
Set Auto-Take Full Odds to False
Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Parlay"
Name Chip-Stack # 1 as "pass-dpass-bet (1,0)"
Bet $ 1 on Chip-Stack # 1
Name Chip-Stack # 20 as "bet pointer"
Bet $ 21 on Chip-Stack # 20
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 21
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 22
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 23
Bet $ 7 on Chip-Stack # 24
Bet $ 9 on Chip-Stack # 25
Bet $ 6 on Chip-Stack # 26
Bet $ 7 on Chip-Stack # 27
Bet $ 8 on Chip-Stack # 28
Bet $ 9 on Chip-Stack # 29
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 30
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 31
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 32
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Pass Line
Go to "end"
'handle WIN
While . . .
Pass Line has won 2 times
Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 26
or while . . .
Pass Line has won 3 times
Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 25
Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 30
or while . . .
Pass Line has won 4 times
Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 29
then . . .
'reset pass line win
Bet $ 21 on Chip-Stack # 20
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Pass Line
Reset wins / losses on Pass Line
Go to "status"
While . . .
Don't Pass has won 2 times
Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 26
or while . . .
Don't Pass has won 3 times
Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 25
Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 30
or while . . .
Don't Pass has won 4 times
Chip-Stack # 20 is greater than $ 29
then . . .
'reset don't pass win
Bet $ 21 on Chip-Stack # 20
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Don't Pass
Reset wins / losses on Don't Pass
Go to "status"
'handle LOSS
While . . .
Pass Line has lost each time
Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 32
then . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 20
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Don't Pass
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 1
Go to "status"
While . . .
Don't Pass has lost each time
Chip-Stack # 20 is less than $ 32
then . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 20
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack ref # 20 on Pass Line
Bet $ 1 on Chip-Stack # 1
status
end
Sally
this is a very scary progression IMO
also, the probability of winning a parlay and having a win and starting over can be calculated exactly
that would be another project once you have your total bet list established and a bankroll
I had a bit of help setting this up for Pro
you can copy/paste this right into Pro
I open the check stack window and place it next to the table so I can see it
This should give you an idea on how the code can be setup and how it works.
just save different versions in your folder when you make changes
have fun!
I did
Sally
First off amazing help! I plan on getting the classic version. To answer your question on my system. Yes if I'm on the Pass and a Don't pass causes me to loose I switch sides. You can play my system anyway you want. Ie you could bet oppisite of what was decided last game. My system dose not reduce the house advantage but lets a person play a long long LONG time for a little bankroll. Pen and paper are needed at the table. I tried to keep it as simple as possible but with the length of the progression and the number of parlays switching I can't keeep up.
If you play at a table with other players placing bets and talking it takes sometime between rolls. I know the game can move fast once all the bets are place like inside and outside prop and others; but if a 7 out ocures and then they have to take it all down or the game heats up the number of rolls per minute decresses. I have found a craps machine in the Quad, a new casino on the strip, it replaced O'Sheas casino this year. There are 2 different ones there. A big noisey slow moving machine that malfunctions about one in 20 rolls. This machine I have seen post on Youtube but in the Quad there as you walk in from the south etrance look right and there is a group of machines all automated table games. The range from BJ roulett and craps. The craps machine moves fast, is quiet, and doesn't mafuncition. Oh one huge difference is the first machine goes from 3-30 dollar bets where as the second goes from 3-500 bet.
Here is the progression. Key note, lets say you are on bet level 55 and leave the table for what ever reason you need to start at the 56th bet and run to the end of the progression. Dice do not have a memory so you can leave and stay gone for days or weeks and still have the same chance of winning as if you stayed the first time. I hope that you see it is the safest progression system out there.
Bet Parlay
1. 5 2
2. 5 2
3. 5 2
4. 7 2
5. 9 2
6. 6 3
7. 7. 3
8. 8 3
9. 9 3
10. 11 3
11. 12 3
12. 14 3
13. 8 4
14. 9 4
15. 9 4
16. 10 4
17. 10 4
18. 11 4
19. 12 4
20. 13 4
21. 8 5
22. 8 5
23. 8 5
24. 8 5
25. 8 5
26. 8 5
27. 8 5
28. 8 5
29. 9 5
30. 9 5
31. 9 5
32. 10 5
33. 10 5
34. 10 5
35. 10 5
36. 6 6
37. 6 6
38. 6 6
39. 6 6
40. 6 6
41. 6 6
42. 6 6
43. 6 6
44. 6 6
45. 7 continue with 6 parlays till the end
46. 7
47. 7
48. 7
49. 7
50. 7
51. 7
52. 7
53. 7
54. 8
55. 8
56. 8
57. 8
58. 8
59. 8
60. 8
61. 8
62. 9
63. 9
64. 9
65. 9
66. 9
67. 9
68. 9
69. 10
70. 10
71. 10
72. 10
73. 10
74. 10
75. 10
76. 11
77. 11
78. 11
79. 11
80. 11
81. 12
82. 12
83. 12
84. 12
85. 12
86. 12
87. 13
88. 13
89. 13
90. 13
91. 13
92. 14
93. 14
94. 14
95. 14
96. 15
97. 15
98. 15
99. 15
100. 16
I did not have the time to provide all the math so you could see profits on each level. As to the question why don't I take ODDS is because it is a parlay system and a lot of of pass and don't pass are decided on the come out roll. I would miss maximizing my profits
Again THANK YOU
" I plan on getting the classic version."
Plan no more
You can download both versions and use them.
I think the only feature that does not work is the auto-betting in hyper-drive (I could be wrong here)
That way you can play your method and start on the programming.
Your system is also easily computed (say in excel) to see the probability of not winning a progression over 100 bets
meaning a total bankroll loss
I show that to be 0.01566752
or about 1 in 63.82631071
that will have to wait until next week at the earliest to finalize (I did it real fast because the weekend is here)
more fun to play than do a lot of math (a little math is fine)
Sally
I was tiered last night and did not have time to show the profit made after each progression was complete. The total bankroll is just under a 1,000 dollars. So in doing the math the average hit was 38 dollar profit. I have run this system through some craps games on the computer and had to go to the 92cd level of progression twice in 1,600 games. Not 1,600 rolls but games.
It all looks very boring on paper but when I was at the table playing with real money and the pace was fast and I was down only 60 dollars. I found myself having to parlay a small amount more than twice it was not such a boring system after all. I have play other systems on my tester before and all crash with in 100 games or so.
That is why I am going to get WinCraps and run the system there. So far I am at a 50 dollar an hour win at the real casinos. I have only logged 2 and half hours so far so IT IS WAY TOO EARLY for this to give me a real estimation of what to expect. Feel free to try it and see if there is a better number sequence out there. I have been working on the sequence for months. I have limited math skills so its all been trail and error. I do thank you for your time.
here is a link to an online folder of mine
http://1drv.ms/1kW1Tq1
the 2 files you want are (you can look at any of them. sorry, No viruses or porn to be found)
1) pass-dpass-parlay-progression-1.bet
(this is the Classic auto-bet file I made)
It was easy for me. Just a lot of copy/paste and changing the bet to be made
I think I followed your rules correctly
I also ran a 1000 session sim where the code plays until you lose bet #100
then it resets for the next session
That file (Games Log) is this one
2) pass-dpass-parlay-progression-1.glg
it collects lots of stats for you
Hope you have fun with all this
This would be more fun IMO to play with $1 instead of $5. maybe on a craps machine.
I play scared when I gamble, but do have fun
The math I did (in Excel) says you have a
28.25% (less than 3 in 10) chance of doubling your starting bankroll (949) before the first bankroll ruin.
of course, it would be awful to play and lose before any one of your parlays even wins
That happens as I posed before about 1 in 63.8 attempts
with a probability of 0.01566752
(the sim I ran agrees)
win streaks are streaky!
they can disappear for long stretches at a time
not much can be done about it
This was fun
Thanks
and do have fun
Sally