Video Poker J+ 1 joker unusual paytable

Hi, new user here with a interesting VP pay table question, I am attaching a photo of said VP.



Ok, now for the question, according to the vpgenius site calculator the return on this pay table is cca. 130% this is a bit unbelievable to me as the machines are in use for a number of years and are one of the bigger winers in the slot halls in my country.

The pay table is :
J+(Jedan par) 1
4 of a suit(cetiri od boje) 2
Two pair(dva para) 3
Trips(tri iste) 4
Straight(Skala) 5
Flush(Boja) 7
Full house(Full) 10
Skip Straight(Skok skala) 15 - straight with one gap between every card ex. 2-4-6-8-T, 5-7-9-J-K
4 of a kind(Poker) 40
All Faces(Sve Slike) - 50
corner straight(korner skala) - 60 - 3-2-A-K-Q straight doesn`t need to be sequential
street flush (skala u boji) - 100
Royal Flush - 500
5 of a kind - 1000

The deck consists of 52 standard cards and 1 joker, although it could be possible there are 2 jokers.

So if anybody has any way to check this return any help would be welcome.

It may be me, but I'm not seeing the picture. Edit: I see it now, nevermind. I haven't done the analysis but if it is as you say: pays 130% based on that pay table, then it's most likely not playing "poker", more likely it's a pulltab machine.

I get a much higher return than that. Even if you only have a joker's wild game that pays 1 for kings or better, 3 for two pair, and 4 for trips (and no other winning payouts), you get a 114% player return on a 1 coin wager assuming it's a proper random shuffle. So that can't possibly be what's going on. Do you have any additional information about the manufacturer or the local gaming rules? Is it a virtual pull-tab device that's just displaying the result?

Hi,
here is the link to the photo in plaintext


Thanks for the interest.

@ MX
As for the manufacturer it is a local company but the design is from Adria Beteiligungs GmbH a German/Austrian company. The laws only dictate that the slots must be set at a minimum payout of 80% ant that as of last year as for the time of production of thiis machine ( early nineties) it was 70% minimum payout, there is no mentioning of VLT-or pull tabs in the law.

But if you can tell me how to test for the difference, I will check.

BTW - I am not a gamer, just a overly curious Casino employee who believes that aspiring AP-s should be welcome to the casino as long as their method is legal. IE counting - ok, marking cards - not ok

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@ MX
As for the manufacturer it is a local company but the design is from Adria Beteiligungs GmbH a German/Austrian company. The laws only dictate that the slots must be set at a minimum payout of 80% ant that as of last year as for the time of production of thiis machine ( early nineties) it was 70% minimum payout, there is no mentioning of VLT-or pull tabs in the law.

But if you can tell me how to test for the difference, I will check.

BTW - I am not a gamer, just a overly curious Casino employee who believes that aspiring AP-s should be welcome to the casino as long as their method is legal. IE counting - ok, marking cards - not ok

Start by looking at any help screens available. Hopefully this will describe if this is fairly dealt from a 53 card deck or if it is determined by a central system or some sort of bingo outcome.

Well I checked around on the net to find the original developer of the game, and found that the game is from Amatic Industries GmbH an Austrian slot manufacturer popular in EU according to their website the game is dealt from a fair 53 card deck, I also found that Viaden gaming have developed a online casino featuring their games and according to the description of the games it is a 53 card deck.

Here are the links in plaintext

So if anyone is still interested in helping me figure out what is the correct RTP percentage on this machine I`ll appreciate the help.

Tx

I calculate 288%.

I also played the online free trial and the autohold is HORRIBLE.

Hi everybody,

My English is not good so i hope everyone will understand me.

I am big fan of this kind of video poker almost 15 years and I want to give you some more information and share my expirience.

As you said the game is from Amatic Industries GmbH. This game is popular as far as I know only in Balkan states (Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Macedonia and maybe Bulgaria and Greece).

There are several versions of the softwer of this machine but they are mostly very similar.

1) Machine with 4 diferent games (multi win, joker card, bingo star, fruit poker)
2) Machine with 5 diferent games (multi win, joker card, bingo star, fruit poker,action line)
3) And newest version with 5 diferent games (multi win, joker card, fruit poker,multi win triple and some other one i dont know the name)
There are of course even older similar machines but i wont talk about them cause they maybe dont even exist any more.
1) and 2) are almost the same. I think softwer is identical only graphics are improved.
3) Softwer is different although payout is the same. Only difference is with all faces (blaze) pay table. Newer version recognizes full house with faces for example K K K J J as full house (x10) and not as blaze (x50), and also K K K K J as poker (x40). This situations are realy frustrating but they occure very rarely. It is funny that even with this ''bug'' you get blazes more often than you did on the previous versions of machines.

Oldest versions are of course the most popular but there are very few places where you can find those machines.

As far as I know those machines can be set by owner from 10 , 20, 30... to 100 % of payback. By law machines must be between 50-70 % of return. It can be higher for some period but not for too long cause there can be suspicios for money laundering. Also it must not be below 50%, It is usualy set on 60% of return for longer periods. You must also have on mind that the yearly tax for each machine is around 700e (euros) what is high amount of money for our region. (about 2-3 average monthly wages).

Now I will focus more on the paytable and 288% player return what you have mentioned.

J+(Jedan par) 1
4 of a suit(cetiri od boje) 2
Two pair(dva para) 3
Trips(tri iste) 4
Straight(Skala) 5
Flush(Boja) 7
Full house(Full) 10
Skip Straight(Skok skala) 15 - straight with one gap between every card ex. 2-4-6-8-T, 5-7-9-J-K
4 of a kind(Poker) 40
All Faces(Sve Slike) - 50
corner straight(korner skala) - 60 - 3-2-A-K-Q straight doesn`t need to be sequential
street flush (skala u boji) - 100
Royal Flush - 500
5 of a kind - 1000

First of all you forgot some detail about gambling, There are two options. You can hit usual high-low combination or you can switch to red-black. You can open maximum of ten cards which is possible only if you half the win several times cause softwer automaticly stops the gambling when you reach x500 bet. Also the 7 is the bonus number during gambling. If you get 7 it gives you x5 win bonus, next 7 gives you x10, then x100 and x500. If you open all four sevens during gambling (without halfing cause then 7 bonus is also halfing) you can get x625 whitch is slightly better than flash royal. If you gamble red-black and get 7 in guessed colour it also doubles your stack. But 99% people gamble high-low cause it is bad to reduce the chance of guessing the next card cause you doubled up by guessing the 7 colour. Simply the colour 7 double up guess is negligible to the 7 bonus itself. 95% of players gamble only smallest stakes and only for one or two times waiting the bonus 7 to appear and then continue. High-low gambling on these machines is usually thankless even if there are some players with strategies for gambling higher stakes. For example get corner straight in very few hands, hit one card and storm out of the casino :)
The other game on this slot machines is particurally adjusted for gambling and it's name is joker card. In this game you can hit poker couple times which is almost unachieavble in multi win.

Now some word about 288% return. Even if it looks like that it is not. For example straight and flush are rarely and fullhouse and skip straight are even more rarely than some higher pays like poker and blaze. Although some compensation is done by 7 bonus. On the newer machines wining straight, flush or full house is easier but bonus 7 almost never appear :)
The most demoniac thing on this machines is corner straight. It gives you x60, looks easy to get but appears unbeliavebly rare. It is not uncommon that some people who get large amount of money on the machines with many pokers blazes and even 5 of kind lose everything waiting for just one corner straight to appear.

Enough for now. If someone joins me in this conversation I will be glad to share some of my expirience and tips for winnig on this kind of macines. Nothing illegal of course just some of my strategies.

Greetings everyone and exuse for my bad english once more.