kineskicovek
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January 30th, 2023 at 7:53:39 AM permalink
Hi :)
I have question about High Low game. In this game /games/hilo RTP is 97%, and less because of rounding down.
I determined quotes and when I apply some reasonable strategies my RTP is more than 100%... How is that possible?
Thanks!
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January 30th, 2023 at 8:27:48 AM permalink
Quote: kineskicovek

Hi :)
I have question about High Low game. In this game /games/hilo RTP is 97%, and less because of rounding down.
I determined quotes and when I apply some reasonable strategies my RTP is more than 100%... How is that possible?
Thanks!

Are you asking how is it possible you made an error in your calculations? Show us how you did your calculation and we can show you where you made a mistake!
gordonm888
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January 30th, 2023 at 11:39:08 AM permalink
See the Wizard of Odds page:

High Low page at WOO

As shown at the end of this article, there are a number of different games that are called some version of High Low. It would help if you did some reading and then described to us the rules of the game you are posting about.
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charliepatrick
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January 30th, 2023 at 4:40:05 PM permalink
I'm guessing you have to make your wager (say \$100) before the cards are dealt and then have to pick which way to go. I'm also assuming that an initial A or K or a second card tie means standoff and redeal.
`11 starting cards (as A/K are redeal)12 second cards (as same implied total redeal)2 (3-K) 11ways pays 1.1 = 12.13 (4-K) 10ways pays 1.1 = 11.04 (A-3) 3 ways pays 3.5 = 10.55 (A-4) 4 ways pays 2.6 = 10.46 (A-5) 5 ways pays 2.1 = 10.58 thru K                        = 54.57 (A-6) 6 ways pays 1.87= 11.22Total payouts = 120.22Total wagers which have an outcome = 11*12 = 132Payback = 120.22/132 = 91.076%.`

If you include standoffs, there are 37 of them, so the payback would be (120.22+37)/169 = 93.03%.

(The above ignores the effect of the second card being a 2 or Q where you have an advantage on the following round. This happens 11 times out of 169 and is worth about 0.78%*11/169=0.05%)

Obviously if you could make your bet after the first card is dealt then if you could bet \$1 on 3-J and \$100 on 2 and Q you might make money!
kineskicovek
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January 31st, 2023 at 12:03:42 AM permalink
Unfortunately you can't open the link... In this High Low game, the deck is infinite, you can get same card twice. A is the strongest card, then K ... and 2 is the weakest card.
You can play unlimited number of times. Tie is included in this game, that means you bet on greater and equal or less and equal. In case of A you are betting on equal or less. It is similar for card 2.
When I calculate the quotes and apply some strategy, my RTP is more than 1... In calculation of qoutes I used that RTP is 97%, that is one part of that calculation. And I think if I use one RTP in calculation of qoutes I sholud get that RTP, but is impossible. I'm always getting greater RTP.
Last edited by: kineskicovek on Jan 31, 2023
charliepatrick
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January 31st, 2023 at 3:51:19 AM permalink
Since this sounds a different game, and hence set of odds, please could you copy the exact rules and post them. Many thanks.
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January 31st, 2023 at 3:55:37 AM permalink
You may be able to send me the link by Private Message.

Systemic anti-spam precautions are almost surely interfering with links in the forum.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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January 31st, 2023 at 4:49:54 AM permalink
https://spribe.co/games/hilo

Playable demo with full rules beyond the link.

Spribe seems to be an i-gaming developer in Estonia and Ukraine.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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January 31st, 2023 at 4:59:40 AM permalink
Very quick summary of game:

A card is turned up.
The player may place a bet on "Low or same" or "High or same".
Payoff odds vary with each round. These odds are displayed to the player.
After each winning round, the player may choose to take the win, or place them as a bet on the next round.
May the cards fall in your favor.
kineskicovek
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January 31st, 2023 at 5:05:27 AM permalink
Tnx Dieter :)

Those are quotes for first round of beeting. It is simple calculation for next...

Card Low Same High Same
2 12.61 1.05083333333333
3 6.305 1.05083333333333
4 4.20333333333333 1.14636363636363
5 3.1525 1.261
6 2.522 1.40111111111111
7 2.10166666666667 1.57625
8 1.80142857142857 1.80142857142857
9 1.57625 2.10166666666667
10 1.40111111111111 2.522
J 1.261 3.1525
Q 1.14636363636363 4.20333333333333
K 1.05083333333333 6.305
2 1.05083333333333 12.61
Last edited by: kineskicovek on Jan 31, 2023
rawtuff
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January 31st, 2023 at 5:15:06 AM permalink
So it gives you ~ 1.05 odds when A or 2 was the last result AND tie is even winning as well?
OK.
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kineskicovek
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January 31st, 2023 at 5:27:03 AM permalink
Like I wrote, for A and 2 is special situation. For card A you chose Low or Same. For card 2 you chose Same or High.
Last edited by: kineskicovek on Jan 31, 2023
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January 31st, 2023 at 5:33:09 AM permalink
Right. And you win your wager 100% of the time in these situations.
Like wager max bet in these situations and min bet the rest.
Profit.
Tits are good, but the most important thing is the soul.
kineskicovek
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January 31st, 2023 at 5:59:24 AM permalink
Yes, I got more than 100% and in calculation of quotes I use that RTP is 97%.
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