Wellbush
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April 30th, 2021 at 5:26:59 PM permalink
Saturating my thread with naysayer posts proves youíve saturated my thread with naysayer posts. Nothing more. I could debunk numerous proposals but I donít care to because many cannot seem to cope with ideas outside of their own line of thinking. Thereís not much point preaching to people who are determined not to listen.
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April 30th, 2021 at 5:42:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Saturating my thread with naysayer posts proves youíve saturated my thread with naysayer posts. Nothing more. I could debunk numerous proposals but I donít care to because many cannot seem to cope with ideas outside of their own line of thinking. Thereís not much point preaching to people who are determined not to listen.



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April 30th, 2021 at 6:07:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

SI could debunk numerous proposals...

Actually, you couldn't. Based on your effort so far, you couldn't debunk your way out of a wet paper bag.
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April 30th, 2021 at 7:05:44 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Saturating my thread with naysayer posts proves youíve saturated my thread with naysayer posts. Nothing more. I could debunk numerous proposals but I donít care to because many cannot seem to cope with ideas outside of their own line of thinking. Thereís not much point preaching to people who are determined not to listen.



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EvenBob
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April 30th, 2021 at 10:32:43 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

I could debunk numerous proposals but I donít care to.



This is like when you said when you make giant mistakes in your posts they were deliberate. No they weren't. What you're doing is searching for something by acting like you know all the answers already. This doesn't work, as you probably noticed.
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Wellbush
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May 2nd, 2021 at 7:09:22 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Yes, and they don't have to be "in a row" unless it's a Martingale. About seven years ago, I ran some simulations on a 50/50 game using D'Alembert, and there were cases where it took over 300 billion bets for the player to get back to zero.

Of course, you also have to take into account how long it would take to make enough bets to be $100 billion behind.



Thanks for your input. The D'Alembert system relies on a 50/50 win/loss ratio. It would not be suitable to use this system on the game of BJ at a casino. That's because, excluding ties, BJ has a 46/54 win/loss ratio.

It would be suitable to use a Fibonacci sequence, which only requires a 40/60 win/loss ratio, to succeed.
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May 2nd, 2021 at 7:29:08 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

This is absolutely the whole point of my blog post to Oncedear's rule of thumb. He can win, He's likely to win. But it's pointless in the context of his relative increase in wealth. If there is a house edge, He doesn't dent it or change it.
It's not much different than if he were to play ONCE on a 20 billion and one slot roulette wheel and put $5 on all but two numbers for one spin. He's almost certain to win... just $5



I really don't think you're following the logic I've annunciated OD! I agree that the house edge doesn't change. That has got zilch to do with my proposition.

Okay, let me make this simpler. A high-roller goes into a casino. He has a gynormous credit line at this casino. He starts playing BJ. He uses a Martingale. He plays and comes out a winner from the casino because the Martingale allows him to do so.

In fact, every time he goes to the casino, he comes out a winner, for the same reason. The Martingale system allows him to win every time.

That's what my original question was, at the start of this thread. As long as someone has a sufficient bankroll for any given number of losses, they will come out a winner using a Martingale or Fibonacci betting system.

The only reason that the above would not be true, is if the player ran out of money during a catastrophic losing sequence.
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May 2nd, 2021 at 7:35:48 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

With math as a description of physical reality, I win.

When we get into metaphysics, I still win.



What has this got to do with the above post?
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May 2nd, 2021 at 7:48:53 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush



In fact, every time he goes to the casino, he comes out a winner, for the same reason. The Martingale system allows him to win every time.



Only in a Fantasy Casino that does not exist. Every casino has betting limits just for this reason. At the MGM Grand I believe it's $10,000. Using a Marty you can get the $10,000 pretty quick. You can get a casino to raise the betting limit but if you think they're going to sit there and let you use a Martingale for very long you're dreaming.
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Wellbush
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May 2nd, 2021 at 8:16:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Only in a Fantasy Casino that does not exist. Every casino has betting limits just for this reason. At the MGM Grand I believe it's $10,000. Using a Marty you can get the $10,000 pretty quick. You can get a casino to raise the betting limit but if you think they're going to sit there and let you use a Martingale for very long you're dreaming.



Thanks EB. I am not proposing that the Marty be used in real life. I am proposing the concept, from which another potential negative progression system may have merit.

If the Marty can work, in theory, then so can the Fibonacci. The one and only problem with both, is the catastrophic losing streak. If a player uses a slower Fibonacci, one where more numbers are injected into the sequence, then the possibility for a real life betting sequence becomes more likely.

E.g. normal Fibonacci sequence: 3, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34. Adjusted Fibonacci: 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 13, 17, 21, 27, 34.
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