racquet
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April 20th, 2020 at 12:22:56 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Pretty simple. Hotel Security is monitoring the elevator, notes what room the guy goes to and sends up a bunch of jackboots to backroom him and then toss him out on the street naked. Post a video of the incident next to the elevator for all to see. The four people who didn't prevent the guy from entering must wear a big sign around their necks stating they don't observe social distancing.



I'm fine with all of that. It's when the jackboots are wearing police badges (or when they're police WITHOUT badges) that I have a problem.

If the casino wants to limit elevator traffic in its hotel to four people, good for them. And if they want to advertise this, noting that the casino next door does not protect its clients like they do, all well and good.

Silly rules enacted by all these newly empowered mall cops (hereinafter referred to as "governor") will be unenforceable, and will doom legitimate, justifiable rules to the same degree of ridicule.

Passengers on airplanes have to endure whatever rules TSA and DHS come up with, and most of them are appropriate and reasonable. If you don't like the rules, they control your access to airplanes. But now governors are falling in love with their daily press conferences telling us "here's what I've decided you can and cannot do today." They're going to want to control how many people are in elevators. Where will it end?
billryan
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April 20th, 2020 at 1:14:05 PM permalink
Where does it end?

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unJon
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April 20th, 2020 at 2:29:06 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

If the minimum distance in "social distancing" of 6 feet, a circle of six feet in diameter is 28 square feet. (3^^2 * 3.14). Assuming that there are four people in the elevator, and ignoring the fact that the elevator is a rectangle (or square), the four people would need a total of 113 square feet. (3^^2 * 3.14 * 4 = 113.04).

The square root of 113.04 is 10.63, so an elevator of somewhere around 11 feet x 11 feet would be needed.

But you don't need a 6 foot circle. You only need to be six feet away from everyone else. So the space needed would be less than that, but I can't see in my head how that works out to the minimum size of an elevator car. I assume there's a variety of answers, depending on the "rectanglearity" of the box. I think we need some calculus. My daughter teaches math. She's at hme now with nothing to do (but of course her union contract mandates that she get paid anyway...) I'll ask her for the answer.


Here's an interesting thought problem for those of you who want to enforce any sort of mandatory rule, and look to elevators as a wonderful place to put your regulatory foot on the neck of other people. No need to let a good emergency go to waste.

Four people get in an elevator on the first floor.
It stops on the third floor, the door opens, and someone decides to enter the elevator.
He says, "you guys can do what you want. If one of you want to get out, that's fine, but I'm getting in and I don't care if there are a hundred people in here with me."

How is this rule and it's, of course, MANDATORY FINE, get enforced? The fifth guy wants to go "up" too, and he presses a button for the ninth floor.



A 6’ by 6’ square elevator works with everyone in the corner. Even better a 24’ by 1’ elevator (let’s assume 1’ as the minimum depth of an elevator someone can squeeze into). Taking up a svelte 24 square feet.
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LoquaciousMoFW
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April 20th, 2020 at 2:38:32 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

A 6’ by 6’ square elevator works with everyone in the corner. Even better a 24’ by 1’ elevator (let’s assume 1’ as the minimum depth of an elevator someone can squeeze into). Taking up a svelte 24 square feet.

The better solution is huge banks of single passenger "Our Father" lifts. The carnage would be impressive.
racquet
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April 20th, 2020 at 2:41:39 PM permalink
Actually, the layout would look like this:

back wall
passenger #1
six feet
passenger #2
six feet
passenger #3
six feet
passenger #4
front wall

So assuming a one foot width, you'd only need 18 feet back-to-front, but how "deep" is a person? That depth would need to be added.
Assuming the same 1 foot requirment for depth (front to back) as in width (left to right):

back wall
passenger #1 (takes up 1 foot)
six feet
passenger #2 (takes up 1 foot)
six feet
passenger #3 (takes up 1 foot)
six feet
passenger #4 (takes up 1 foot)
front wall

27 feet front to back.,
Assuming 1 foot width, 27 square feet.

Do you only occupy a one foot square when standing? Does a well-endowed woman, or an obese man?


back wall
passenger #1 (takes up one foot)
1 foot
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April 20th, 2020 at 2:48:42 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Technical question - If the airspace of an elevator is not big enough when someone farts how can it be big enough for social distancing?



The fart smell arises from methane gas. A gas is more likely to travel farther in the atmosphere than a water droplet. I don't really know anything about the gas velocity of a fart but it does seem to stay in the air for a considerable time.

Edit: Farts are more complex than I realized. Hydrogen sulfide, methanethiol and dimethyl sulfide all contribute to the odor of farts. I believe those are all gases.

Apparently, in the future, chemical analysis of farts may be useful for diagnosing disease.
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April 20th, 2020 at 4:32:20 PM permalink
If one more public service announcement
or one more TV commercial tells me
condescendingly to 'Stay Safe', I'm
going to punch somebody. Enough
already, I'm sick of it.
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Gandler
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April 20th, 2020 at 6:50:48 PM permalink
I would take the stairs.

I find it annoying when casinos ban customers from using stairs (saying they are only for emergency) and require elevator use in towers... Waiting in line for elevators even under normal circumstances is absurd....
racquet
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April 21st, 2020 at 8:00:26 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I would take the stairs.

I find it annoying when casinos ban customers from using stairs (saying they are only for emergency) and require elevator use in towers... Waiting in line for elevators even under normal circumstances is absurd....



But if your room is on the fourteenth floor? I'd attempt it going DOWN the staircase, but going up? A lot of us vulnerable folks would be gathering on the landings catching our breath.

The whole idea of elevator occupancy restrictions points out the potential for silly rules promulgated by the Nanny State. Such a rule would be unenforceable and be seen as silly. Reasonable rules will be obeyed, because common sense is what makes them reasonable. But foolish attempts to mandate things like social distancing in public places (will we see this extend to urinals?) will reduce all the rules, the goods ones as well, to jokes.

What's the average width of a rest room stall? How far apart are the sinks? How many towel dispensers or air dryers?

If the rule-makers go overboard, protecting us from ourselves, whether we want to be protected or not, they will defeat their intended purpose. But of course their purpose is not to protect us, but to extend and expand the ways they think they can tell us what to do.
racquet
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April 21st, 2020 at 10:05:23 AM permalink
Quote: utahslim1

Perhaps an updated CONE OF SILENCE for baccarat.



With all of the worries, how about those chips? I always thought they were the most dangerous from a disease point of view, such that I always washed my hands before using the men's room, not after. I had a good idea where Mr. Binky had been, but not those chips.

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