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February 1st, 2022 at 4:38:23 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2


Now that we know the mean value of x (on one side) is (2/π)^(.5), we can calculate the variance by taking the integral from zero to infinity of:

 (2π)^(-.5) * e^(-.5x^2) * (x - (2/π)^(.5))^2 dx

I don't believe there's a way to get an exact antiderivative for this function, so I used an integral calculator to get the answer of: (π - 2) / (2π)


We can expand (x - (2/π)^(.5))^2, (x - (2/π)^(.5))^2=x^2-2*(2/π)^(.5)*x+2/π and we can calculate the integral of each term multiplied by (2π)^(-.5) * e^(-.5x^2) separately.

The integral of (2π)^(-.5)*e^(-.5x^2)*x^2 dx from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/2 of the integral of the same function from x=-∞ to x=∞, which is the integral expressing the variance of the normal distribution, so the integral from x=-∞ to x=∞ is 1 and the integral from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/2.

We have already calculated that the integral of (2π)^(-.5)*e^(-.5x^2)*x dx from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/(2π)^(.5), so the integral of (2π)^(-.5)*e^(-.5x^2)*2*(2/π)^(.5)*x dx from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/(2π)^(.5)*2*(2/π)^(.5)=2/π.

The integral of (2π)^(-.5)*e^(-.5x^2) dx from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/2, it is just the probability that a standard normal random variable is positive.

Putting everything together, the value of the integral is 1/2-2/π+1/2=1-2/π=(π-2)/π.
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February 1st, 2022 at 6:24:59 PM permalink
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The integral of (2π)^(-.5)*e^(-.5x^2)*x^2 dx from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/2 of the integral of the same function from x=-∞ to x=∞, which is the integral expressing the variance of the normal distribution, so the integral from x=-∞ to x=∞ is 1 and the integral from x=0 to x=∞ is 1/2.

Thanks again, GM. It took me a minute to grasp that step, but once I did, getting the antiderivative of the function was easy. I suspected there was a simple way to get there since (pi - 2) / pi is such a clean answerusing only 2 constants from the original function

My calculus skills are quite basic, especially when it comes to rearranging/simplifying functions. I rarely use calculus so I dont get much practice
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February 2nd, 2022 at 8:17:15 AM permalink
This puzzle is rather wordy so read carefully...



The number N represents the first 6 digits of a special number.

N consists of three prime numbers put side by side. These three prime numbers come xth, yth and zth on the list of primes, where x, y and z are themselves three consecutive primes (for example, x, y and z could be 3, 5 and 7, in which case we'd be looking at the third, fifth and seventh prime numbers).

In addition, if N is split in the middle into two separate numbers, the prime factors of the left part of N add up to its right part.

What is N? And what is the special number whose first 6 digits it forms?
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February 2nd, 2022 at 8:54:15 AM permalink
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This puzzle...What is N?...link to original post

First one lists the first few primes being 2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23 and then list the 2nd, 3rd, 5th etc primes. The latter gives 3, 5, 11, 17, 31, 41, 59, 67, 83, 109. Then the six-digits numbers can be 11-17-31 thru 59-67-83. What is interesting is 314159 has a lower second half (159) than first half (314) and 314 = 157*2. Thus N is nearly Pi*100000! (I'm guessing this is what the last part refers to.)
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February 2nd, 2022 at 8:10:51 PM permalink
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First one lists the first few primes being 2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23 and then list the 2nd, 3rd, 5th etc primes. The latter gives 3, 5, 11, 17, 31, 41, 59, 67, 83, 109. Then the six-digits numbers can be 11-17-31 thru 59-67-83. What is interesting is 314159 has a lower second half (159) than first half (314) and 314 = 157*2. Thus N is nearly Pi*100000! (I'm guessing this is what the last part refers to.)

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Correct!!

The numbers 31, 41, and 59 are the 11th, 13th, and 17th primes where 11, 13 and 17 form three consecutive primes. So the number we get by putting them together, 314159, fulfills the first part of our requirement for the number N.

Now split 314159 into the two numbers 314 and 159. The prime factors of 314 are 2 and 157, which add up to 159. So 314159 also fulfills the second requirement hence N=314159 is the number we are looking for. It also represents the first six digits of π.
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February 2nd, 2022 at 9:45:13 PM permalink
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February 3rd, 2022 at 10:49:38 AM permalink
Two dice are rolled until either event happens:

A) A total of 2 is rolled.
B) A total of 7 is rolled twice consecutively.

What is the probability the total of 2 occurs first?
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February 3rd, 2022 at 12:13:17 PM permalink

From the starting state, one of four things will happen:
Only three things need to be considered:
(a) A 2;
(b) A 7 followed by a 2;
(c) A 7 followed by a 7;
(d) anything else, which returns to the starting state, so only (a), (b), and (c) need to be considered.

(a) has probability 1/36
(b) has probability 1/216
(c) has probability 1/36
P(a + b) / P(a + b + c) = 7/13

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February 3rd, 2022 at 2:34:15 PM permalink
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From the starting state, one of four things will happen:
Only three things need to be considered:
(a) A 2;
(b) A 7 followed by a 2;
(c) A 7 followed by a 7;
(d) anything else, which returns to the starting state, so only (a), (b), and (c) need to be considered.

(a) has probability 1/36
(b) has probability 1/216
(c) has probability 1/36
P(a + b) / P(a + b + c) = 7/13


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February 3rd, 2022 at 3:26:46 PM permalink
Avg rolls to get two consecutive 7s is: 6^1 + 6^2 = 42

Avg rolls to get a 2 is 36.

42 / (42 + 36) = 7/13
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