jerry183
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February 24th, 2010 at 8:30:42 AM permalink
I was recently playing in a casino in London where they offer the Egalite total side bets, initially these seemed like a really good bet due to seemingly high winning odds;

0=150-1
1=215-1
2=225-1
3=200-1
4=120-1
5=110-1
6=45-1
7=45-1
8=80-1
9=80-1

What is the house edge for each of these bets? Are they as good as they seem?
miplet
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February 24th, 2010 at 10:05:13 AM permalink
Quote: jerry183

I was recently playing in a casino in London where they offer the Egalite total side bets, initially these seemed like a really good bet due to seemingly high winning odds;

0=150-1
1=215-1
2=225-1
3=200-1
4=120-1
5=110-1
6=45-1
7=45-1
8=80-1
9=80-1

What is the house edge for each of these bets? Are they as good as they seem?

For those who may not know, this is a side bet on baccarat tie of exactly the spacific number.
0=-0.124502
1=-0.114184
2=-0.095322
3=-0.105148
4=-0.121419
5=-0.118771
6=-0.11496
7=-0.0639
8=-0.110701
9=-0.106327
House edge ranges from 6.39% for the 7 to 12.45% on the 0
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DJTeddyBear
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February 24th, 2010 at 10:57:28 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

For those who may not know, this is a side bet on baccarat tie of exactly the spacific number.

I looked it up on the Wiz's main site. There was only one hit, for a PDF: Rules of casino games in Great Britain

In that 88 page document, there are only four references for 'Egalite':
Quote:

A player who has accepted the shoe may elect to wager on Egalité (a tied hand) only.

Quote:

Winning wagers on Egalité shall be paid, as a minimum, odds of 8 to 1.

Quote:

If the two hands are of equal merit, the wagers on punter and banker shall be void and the wagers on ‘Egalité’ shall win and be paid, at a minimum, odds of 8 to 1.

Quote:

Players do not need to place a standard wager on either the player, the banker or Egalite, in order to place a Dragon Bonus side wager.

It's interesting that the rule book doesn't have any description of the bet.

It's also interesting that the minimum payoff is only 8:1 while the casino Jerry found is paying 45:1 minimum.

I get the feeling that the 8:1 is for ANY tie...
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boymimbo
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February 24th, 2010 at 1:32:37 PM permalink
Correct. You get paid 8:1 on ANY Tie (the tie bet). You get paid more odds based on the bonus bet.
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Wizard
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February 24th, 2010 at 4:55:36 PM permalink
Quote: miplet

For those who may not know, this is a side bet on baccarat tie of exactly the spacific number.
0=-0.124502
1=-0.114184
2=-0.095322
3=-0.105148
4=-0.121419
5=-0.118771
6=-0.11496
7=-0.0639
8=-0.110701
9=-0.106327
House edge ranges from 6.39% for the 7 to 12.45% on the 0

I agree exactly! Great work Miplet, as usual. I just added this to my baccarat page.
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teliot
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July 14th, 2013 at 10:16:04 AM permalink
These results are different than those on the website given here at U.K. Casino table games

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egalite
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July 14th, 2013 at 11:21:10 AM permalink
Why would the 6 and 7 which both pay 45-1 (this differs in various casino's) indicate a different house edge. Also any casino offering this "super egalite payout" bet, must pay the normal Tie at 9-1.
teliot
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July 14th, 2013 at 12:20:15 PM permalink
Quote: egalite

Why would the 6 and 7 which both pay 45-1 (this differs in various casino's) indicate a different house edge.

The frequency of a tie on 6 is different than the frequency of a tie on 7. The player is not making a single "egalite" wager that pays according to the indicated pay table. Instead, the point of this side bet is that the player can make separate wagers that "there will be a tie on 6" and "there will be a tie on 7" and so on. They are not required to make any other wager in order to make an egalite wager.
Quote:

Also any casino offering this "super egalite payout" bet, must pay the normal Tie at 9-1.

The normal Tie bet pays "8-to-1" or "9-for-1", I have never heard of "at 9-1".
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teliot
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July 14th, 2013 at 12:26:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I agree exactly! Great work Miplet, as usual. I just added this to my baccarat page (linked fixed).

In fact, Mike, your results don't agree with Miplet's. You and I agree, and our results are slightly different than what Miplet got. Here is what I get:
`0 pays 150-to-1289799014205444969418374082816-0.124526521 pays 215-to-1204992176683524977899057835008-0.114150022 pays 225-to-1200066061045764978391669398784-0.095411623 pays 200-to-1222505101294084976147765373952-0.105242864 pays 120-to-1362941334630404962104142040320-0.121400525 pays 110-to-1396840467438084958714228759552-0.118731856 pays 45-to-1961700013084164902228274194944-0.114952477 pays 45-to-11017175388999684896680736603392-0.063898778 pays 80-to-1548794166750724943518858828288-0.110668569 pays 80-to-1551460540600324943252221443328-0.10634765`
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