FleaStiff
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April 1st, 2014 at 7:23:22 AM permalink
When you get "sided" it can be dangerous to lean out.
mickeycrimm
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April 1st, 2014 at 7:47:28 AM permalink
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When you get "sided" it can be dangerous to lean out.



When you get sided it can be dangerous not to lean out and see what kind of activity is going on. Tramps switch cars when the train is stopped. You are out in the middle of nowhere. You have no idea what kind of hoodlum, felon, father stabbing, mother raping SOB stranger you are dealing with. It's like U. J. Pucket said "Never trust anybody." Especially on the rails. You have to be prepared to defend yourself.
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April 1st, 2014 at 9:37:35 AM permalink
Thank you for sharing your story mickeycrimm. It is interesting to hear some perspective from the inside. I have witnessed some folks that I think fall into the 'choice' category and they seem not all that unhappy about their situation. I see them because they find every promotion, every giveaway, freeplays, matchplays, food. The ones that are over 50 are at every Jerry's nugget on Tuesdays, getting their free matchplay, Stations, Boyd, Silver7 on Wednesdays getting whatever those places are offering, and palms on Senior Thursdays. (I am not a member of the 50+ clubs, but my playing partner is, so I am familiar with a few). They manage to find every promotion available, many that I am hitting as well....lol. I see the same faces. Only thing is some of these guys are wearing the same cloths day after day.

The thing I wonder, is that after a while, after a couple years, what happens. What if they decide thy have had enough of that lifestyle? I imagine it becomes hard to find a job, when, you can't offer an address, phone number and there are years worth of gaps in employment history.

MrRalph: Been there and done that. Not this past Christmas, but the year before, I bought 4 young guys who were staying at the shelter bus tickets 'home", who had expressed a desire to get home. California, Seattle, Chicago. They were supposed to be non-refundable tickets. Two of these guys never left. They some how, found a way to turn those tickets into money. The third, may have went home, I am not sure as I didn't see him for a while, but if he did, he was back a month later. I can only hope the fourth made it home and got back on his feet, but in all probability, he just landed somewhere else.

sadly, you learn that most of these guys, no matter how innocent and helpless they look are scam artists.

Boz: thank you for the kind words, but it's really not so. I like many, try to show a little compassion, donate time and/or money to charities, give out a few bucks here and there, pocket change really, in my case spend a couple hours a week washing sheets and towels. But in the end, we probably are the ones that benefit most. We can lie to ourselves and say, "hey, I tried to make a difference" and feel a little less guilty.
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April 1st, 2014 at 9:49:01 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Thank you for sharing your story mickeycrimm. It is interesting to hear some perspective from the inside. I have witnessed some folks that I think fall into the 'choice' category and they seem not all that unhappy about their situation. I see them because they find every promotion, every giveaway, freeplays, matchplays, food. The ones that are over 50 are at every Jerry's nugget on Tuesdays, getting their free matchplay, Stations, Boyd, Silver7 on Wednesdays getting whatever those places are offering, and palms on Senior Thursdays. (I am not a member of the 50+ clubs, but my playing partner is, so I am familiar with a few). They manage to find every promotion available, many that I am hitting as well....lol. I see the same faces. Only thing is some of these guys are wearing the same cloths day after day.

The thing I wonder, is that after a while, after a couple years, what happens. What if they decide thy have had enough of that lifestyle? I imagine it becomes hard to find a job, when, you can't offer an address, phone number and there are years worth of gaps in employment history.

MrRalph: Been there and done that. Not this past Christmas, but the year before, I bought 4 young guys who were staying at the shelter bus tickets 'home", who had expressed a desire to get home. California, Seattle, Chicago. They were supposed to be non-refundable tickets. Two of these guys never left. They some how, found a way to turn those tickets into money. The third, may have went home, I am not sure as I didn't see him for a while, but if he did, he was back a month later. I can only hope the fourth made it home and got back on his feet, but in all probability, he just landed somewhere else.

sadly, you learn that most of these guys, no matter how innocent and helpless they look are scam artists.

Boz: thank you for the kind words, but it's really not so. I like many, try to show a little compassion, donate time and/or money to charities, give out a few bucks here and there, pocket change really, in my case spend a couple hours a week washing sheets and towels. But in the end, we probably are the ones that benefit most. We can lie to ourselves and say, "hey, I tried to make a difference" and feel a little less guilty.



kewlj,

I think you have to believe in the butterfly wings theory of charity or it becomes hopeless. So your show of compassion, your few bits of time and money here and there, both radiate outward in the fact of their existence, and add to many others to become of true significance. Sometimes caring is overwhelming in itself, because there is no degree of compassion spent that will outweigh the entirety of human misery. And yet, Mother Teresa went one by one to the poor, each benefited a tiny bit by her intercession, and over a lifetime she changed the world. You can, too, as can I. In giving, you Matter; it's not just an exercise in vanity and futility.
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April 1st, 2014 at 9:55:01 AM permalink
mickey,

I also think respect must be paid to those who simply choose a different road. We are all taught to amass things as a worthy goal, a way of keeping score, if nothing else a way of keeping sellers in business and bowing to the gods of advertising. Rejecting those values for living closer to the edge of the world is a valid choice; with possessions comes the chore of keeping them somewhere, keeping the repaired, all the rest. I know I have far too many, and since retirement have been divesting myself of them and finding I don't miss anything that didn't have sentimental value as a connection to my dad or grandparents. The rest is just stuff, to be dusted, tripped over, insured, whatever. Bleah. Nothing wrong with making the choices you have, and some things are definitely better about it. The joys of home ownership. Bleah again.
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April 1st, 2014 at 11:51:42 AM permalink
Micky:

Yep. Its all true.

Why do guys live under the railroad bridge? Because that is where they want to live.

They will scrap to together cash to live there, and play the slots. etc if they get the chance. And if the sign say "Need $ for a ticket home" works better then "Homeless veteran, please help" then they will use that one.

Very few people are on the streets without it being their choice. They have many to blame for their circumstances, but it is up to them to make the changes necessary...

There is a lot of mental illness and other issues among the homeless, and they can get some pass, but after that? Its a choice.

Las Vegas is good choice because the weather isn't that bad year round, there are lots of folks who are there for short periods of time, who have $$ to give, and there are lots of services and reduced cost services around.

Understand I will give about $5k to charity in a number of ways this year. I try to put my money where my mouth is, and even then, it isn't enough, and I should do more. That is how blessed I am.

Personal Story in LV: Dec 2013. Listening to a band on Fremont Street. Obviously homeless guy come up to me, and starts chatting. Tells me he was a veteran. Tells me he was a POW. How he hurt his leg... So, I started asking him questions. To Confirm his story... He didn't like that. "Have a nice evening, sir"

BTW, he was younger than me. And I graduated High School in 1980.

IF I can make $50 a day on the street, why should I work 8 hours for $8 an hour? After tax thats $58 and you gotta keep the boss happy. Nah. Some rejection is the cost of doing business.

Kewl: Sorry about the loss of the young man. That is rather tragic, and we will always wonder how we could have helped to change that trajectory

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April 1st, 2014 at 6:05:40 PM permalink
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Thank you mickey. Why people can't realize that many things in life aren't fair, and we all do our best to equalize the playing field. If you give up and blame everyone else how will you ever get up? Nothing worth having in this life is easy (such as money, a roof over your head, food).
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April 1st, 2014 at 7:35:54 PM permalink
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I jumped off a westbound UP in Cheyenne, Wyoming. It was another R & R stop on the tramp trail. You got three days every six months in the shelter there. Three squares a day, shower, laundry and a clean rack to sleep in. But three days later you got the boot. But this time in Cheyenne something different was going on. There was some kind of homeless commission out of Washington, D.C., going around the country and interviewing the homeless. A group of these Washington bureaucrats happened to be in Cheyenne when I showed up.

They came to the shelter and all us tramps were required to go to the meeting. I was sitting towards the back and they started interviewing us one at a time in front of everybody.

"What is the cause of your homelessness?"
"What can we do to improve homeless services."

These were the kind of questions they were asking. And they got the usual responses from the tramps:

"The economy sucks."
"Housing is too expensive. We need cheap housing."
"There are only minimum wage jobs. F--- that!"
"The government hates poor people. It's too hard to qualify for welfare."
"Blah, Blah, Blah."

They got to me.

"Sir, what is the cause of your homelessness?
"Me." The boos from the other tramps start.
"So it's your fault? I don't think we've ever gotten a response like that before." More boos from the other tramps.
"Yes, that's right. It's all my fault." More boos from the other tramps.
"Sir, what can we do to improve homeless services?"
"I think the people in these towns are already doing enough." Now the tramps are really booing.
"In what way, Sir?"
"There's soup lines and shelters everywhere you go."
"And that's good enough?
"Sure it is. What more do you want?" More booing.
"And that's all you need?"
"Well, if you want to give me a free apartment and a welfare check I probably won't turn it down." The place got silent.
"Sir, we are here on serious business."
"I'll tell you what. Just give me the check. To hell with the apartment. Who in the hell wants to stare at four walls?" Laughter.
"Sir, would you please be serious."
"Okay, I'll be serious. You can't help someone up and out that doesn't want to go up and out." The boos start again.
"What does that mean?"
"It means that you feds can spend all the money you want hanging carrots in front of donkeys. You'll get plenty of bites. But don't expect any results."
"And what does that mean, Sir?"
"It means that you can spend yourself blind, but there is only one person in the world that can cure my problem."
"And who is that?"
"Me." The boos get louder
"You?"
"That's right. My problem will be solved by me and me alone. There's nothing the government can do." The boos rise to a crescendo
"Thank you for that input, Sir."

Needless to say, I didn't exactly get a standing ovation from the other tramps.


You are half right. The man has to stand by himself.
But sometimes the man might need a boost/lift/push/encouragement.
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April 1st, 2014 at 7:36:38 PM permalink
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I nominate above post as post of the year.

I second
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April 2nd, 2014 at 11:46:10 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

When you get sided it can be dangerous not to lean out and see what kind of activity is going on. Tramps switch cars when the train is stopped. You are out in the middle of nowhere. You have no idea what kind of hoodlum, felon, father stabbing, mother raping SOB stranger you are dealing with. It's like U. J. Pucket said "Never trust anybody." Especially on the rails. You have to be prepared to defend yourself.


No father-rapers out there?

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