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May 23rd, 2012 at 2:54:33 PM permalink
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Hey Wiz, a couple questions about your Panama blackjack strategy. They're either mistakes or I'm misreading the chart/text.

According to the chart, you should always hit a 9 against a 2, and the above instructions would apply to a 9 against a 3.


This is not true, usually you should hit a 9 against a 2, unless you are playing double or single deck.



You're misreading my advice, perhaps because I stated it badly.

First, in Panama the dealer hits a soft 17. The general rule there is to double 9 against 2.

Second, in Panama the player may double on three cards. So, it pays to hit a 2-card 9 against a 2, hoping to draw another 2, to do a more powerful double with 11.

Third, my D3 code for 9 vs. 3 means to hit with a 2-card 9, and double with a 3-card 9. Same reason -- with a 2-card 9 you're hoping to get a 2, to double on 11.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 3:11:40 PM permalink
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First, in Panama the dealer hits a soft 17. The general rule there is to double 9 against 2.


I think AcesAndEights is referring to your WoO basic strategy for 4 or more decks at this link, where it says to hit (not double) 9 vs. 2, regardless of whether the dealer hits or stands on soft 17.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 3:31:36 PM permalink
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I think AcesAndEights is referring to your WoO basic strategy for 4 or more decks at this link, where it says to hit (not double) 9 vs. 2, regardless of whether the dealer hits or stands on soft 17.



Well, that is certainly embarrassing. Yes, the right play is to hit 9 vs. 2. Sorry about that. I deserve to be punished for that one. Father, if you're reading this, what is my penance?
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May 23rd, 2012 at 3:37:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: Doc

I think AcesAndEights is referring to your WoO basic strategy for 4 or more decks at this link, where it says to hit (not double) 9 vs. 2, regardless of whether the dealer hits or stands on soft 17.



Well, that is certainly embarrassing. Yes, the right play is to hit 9 vs. 2. Sorry about that. I deserve to be punished for that one. Father, if you're reading this, what is my penance?


Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So is the following correct for Panama rules?
1) 9 vs 2 - always hit
2) 9 vs 3 - Hit if your hand is 2 cards, double if your hand is 3 or more cards
This is consistent with the chart and I think is correct based on this conversation. The text in the article is still confusing though.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 3:43:11 PM permalink
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Well, that is certainly embarrassing. Yes, the right play is to hit 9 vs. 2. Sorry about that. I deserve to be punished for that one. Father, if you're reading this, what is my penance?


You've already been punished. Casino Player magazine declined to pay for or publish the article. Perhaps because they saw this error? ;-)
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May 23rd, 2012 at 3:51:20 PM permalink
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Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So is the following correct for Panama rules?
1) 9 vs 2 - always hit
2) 9 vs 3 - Hit if your hand is 2 cards, double if your hand is 3 or more cards
This is consistent with the chart and I think is correct based on this conversation. The text in the article is still confusing though.



Yes, except double on 9 vs. 3 with exactly three cards only. You can't double on 4 or more.

I decided to just get rid of the talk about the basic strategy changes after the basic strategy.

Yes, in retrospect it was a good thing they didn't publish it with that error. They pay so little that the lost money doesn't matter much.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 4:12:52 PM permalink
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Well, that is certainly embarrassing.



Because your game Mulligan Poker is called Gilligan Poker
in Central America? Nobody knows what a Mulligan is, but
everybody in the world knows Gilligan.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 4:15:52 PM permalink
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Because your game Mulligan Poker is called Gilligan Poker
in Central America? Nobody knows what a Mulligan is, but
everybody in the world knows Gilligan.



Well, I'm not sure what that has to do with it, but thanks anyway for the suggestion. As a true fan of the show, you never know if I'll appropriate your idea.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 4:16:41 PM permalink
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Yes, except double on 9 vs. 3 with exactly three cards only. You can't double on 4 or more.

I decided to just get rid of the talk about the basic strategy changes after the basic strategy.

Yes, in retrospect it was a good thing they didn't publish it with that error. They pay so little that the lost money doesn't matter much.


Wiz, sorry to keep hassling you about the article, but I think that some explanation of the "D3" in the 9 vs. 3 column is appropriate. It's not a normal rule or a normal entry to see in a BS chart, so I think the explanation was warranted.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 4:37:52 PM permalink
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Wiz, sorry to keep hassling you about the article, but I think that some explanation of the "D3" in the 9 vs. 3 column is appropriate. It's not a normal rule or a normal entry to see in a BS chart, so I think the explanation was warranted.



Oh, boy. I thought that my additional explanation was confusing, so I got rid of it. You can see the key says "D3 = Double on 3 cards only." Since I mention the rule about doubling on 3 cards I'm hoping the reader can deduce the reason.
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