Casino Ethics: Alcohol
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November 10th, 2011 at 8:32:52 AM
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Is the casino acting ethically when offering free alcoholic drinks to the player?
Arguments for yes:
The players want and expect the free drinks
You can order soda or other non alcoholic beverages
The casino is not your parent or guardian
They have to do it to compete with the casino next door
Arguments for no:
The alcohol lowers your inhibition and restraint on bet size, bet choice (hardways, etc), session length
The alcohol lowers your ability to play with optimal strategy
Most casinos will continue to serve a customer with drinks and gambling action long past their limit
The free drinks are offered only to players, not all casino guests
Casinos don't do anything for free, including free parking, which is now covered by resort fees
So is the casino merely offering a service to its guests, or is it really a way to increases the bottom line? What other arguments for the pro and con?
Arguments for yes:
The players want and expect the free drinks
You can order soda or other non alcoholic beverages
The casino is not your parent or guardian
They have to do it to compete with the casino next door
Arguments for no:
The alcohol lowers your inhibition and restraint on bet size, bet choice (hardways, etc), session length
The alcohol lowers your ability to play with optimal strategy
Most casinos will continue to serve a customer with drinks and gambling action long past their limit
The free drinks are offered only to players, not all casino guests
Casinos don't do anything for free, including free parking, which is now covered by resort fees
So is the casino merely offering a service to its guests, or is it really a way to increases the bottom line? What other arguments for the pro and con?
November 10th, 2011 at 8:42:16 AM
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Sufficient argument for yes: You're an adult and responsible for your own actions. if yuo drink too much, knowing what the effects are on your play, you ahve only yourself to blame. It's as easy to say "no" as to say "yes" to a free drink offer.
I'd be willing to make an exception for alcoholics and other addicts. but then they shoulnd't be where the temptation is too great.
I'd be willing to make an exception for alcoholics and other addicts. but then they shoulnd't be where the temptation is too great.
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November 10th, 2011 at 8:46:07 AM
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I don't see any issue about ethics, so I say the casino is ethical.
It's part of the experience and we are all adults.
It's part of the experience and we are all adults.
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November 10th, 2011 at 9:03:09 AM
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Some points:
1. Free Beverages are only offered to PLAYERS. They are not offered to those who are watching or sitting around doing nothing. Slot waitresses normally take a very long time to provide service because they want the player to remain at the slot and lose money. Table players get served much faster because drinking affects their decision making abilities.
2. If a law was in place to not provide free drinks, all casinos would be on the same page and there would be no competition.
3. Alcohol is used as a ply by the casino to make people play dumber and longer, and they will serve you no matter how drunk you are (even though there is policy against that). That, in my opinion, is the very unethical part.
On the other hand, it is YOUR choice to drink, but we all know that after a couple of drinks, it becomes a slippery slope, and when you're passing the server a buck whether you're drinking water or a martini, you're much more apt to order the martini as it has more "value". Free drinks become a very big part of the gambling equation for many -- go gambling so I can get drunk, cheap.
Up here in Canada, where you pay for your beverages, I've seen people been cut off after a few drinks and have seen people been escorted out for being inebriated.
It's a loss leader to get more people to gamble and it increases the bottom line as the cost of providing free alcohol / drinks << the revenue generated from bad gambling decisions.
But just because I feel it's unethical doesn't mean that I feel that it's wrong (but casinos should stop serving and allowing players to play when drunk). Casinos are a place to have fun and to let loose for a while.
1. Free Beverages are only offered to PLAYERS. They are not offered to those who are watching or sitting around doing nothing. Slot waitresses normally take a very long time to provide service because they want the player to remain at the slot and lose money. Table players get served much faster because drinking affects their decision making abilities.
2. If a law was in place to not provide free drinks, all casinos would be on the same page and there would be no competition.
3. Alcohol is used as a ply by the casino to make people play dumber and longer, and they will serve you no matter how drunk you are (even though there is policy against that). That, in my opinion, is the very unethical part.
On the other hand, it is YOUR choice to drink, but we all know that after a couple of drinks, it becomes a slippery slope, and when you're passing the server a buck whether you're drinking water or a martini, you're much more apt to order the martini as it has more "value". Free drinks become a very big part of the gambling equation for many -- go gambling so I can get drunk, cheap.
Up here in Canada, where you pay for your beverages, I've seen people been cut off after a few drinks and have seen people been escorted out for being inebriated.
It's a loss leader to get more people to gamble and it increases the bottom line as the cost of providing free alcohol / drinks << the revenue generated from bad gambling decisions.
But just because I feel it's unethical doesn't mean that I feel that it's wrong (but casinos should stop serving and allowing players to play when drunk). Casinos are a place to have fun and to let loose for a while.
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November 10th, 2011 at 9:18:57 AM
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Maybe it would even things out if alcohol was freely available (both free in price and free flowing) not just to the players but also to the dealers, floor supervisors, eye-in-the-sky operators, etc. Then, with everyone tipsy and making mistakes, there wouldn't be so many allegations that someone is trying to take unfair advantage.
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November 10th, 2011 at 9:22:01 AM
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Quote: kpIs the casino acting ethically when offering free alcoholic drinks to the player?
Why not also poll Casino Ethics: Table Games and / or Casino Ethics: Hole Cards?
November 10th, 2011 at 9:41:43 AM
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Quote: DocMaybe it would even things out if alcohol was freely available (both free in price and free flowing) not just to the players but also to the dealers, floor supervisors, eye-in-the-sky operators, etc. Then, with everyone tipsy and making mistakes, there wouldn't be so many allegations that someone is trying to take unfair advantage.
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Funny. Of course, there would be more drunken arguments between the players and the dealers.
At least half of the time, I get a water or a coffee from the cocktail waitress. In this case, it's just good service. When I get up in the morning, I always have to make a decision whether I'm going to pay the unethical prices at the coffee shop or whether I'm going to play penny slots for a little while and order a coffee.
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November 10th, 2011 at 9:45:51 AM
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Quote: CrystalMathpay the unethical prices at the coffee shop
Anyone ever see a water fountain in a casino? I have heard that The Orleans is supposed to have some upstairs in an otherwise deserted area.
Anyone ever sit down at a slot for a few minutes just to get a bottle of water during a Vegas summer?
November 10th, 2011 at 10:29:42 AM
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Quote: kpAnyone ever see a water fountain in a casino? I have heard that The Orleans is supposed to have some upstairs in an otherwise deserted area.
Anyone ever sit down at a slot for a few minutes just to get a bottle of water during a Vegas summer?
this i have always had a problem with. there should definitely be more water fountains in casinos especially in las vegas where it gets hot and you can easily get dehydrated. i hate being thirsty and i hate having to wait for a cocktail waitress or go to a casino bar just to get a water. and the placement is easy, just put them by the restrooms.
November 10th, 2011 at 12:08:05 PM
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In AC, CT and PA, I see them all the time, usually next to the rest rooms.Quote: kpAnyone ever see a water fountain in a casino?
Now that you mention it, I don't recall seeing them in Vegas.
No, but I'll often buy a bottle off a waitress for $1. I'm just walking around and notice a waitress with a water on a tray and approach her and ask. I'll be nice about it: "Is that water spoken for, or can I buy it for a buck?" The few times I got refused, she had a tray full of drinks, and I believed her that it was spoken for. If her tray has mostly empties, she's probably heading back to the service bar and is happy to make another buck - and lighten her load.Quote: kpAnyone ever sit down at a slot for a few minutes just to get a bottle of water during a Vegas summer?
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November 10th, 2011 at 1:06:01 PM
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In my opinion, the way the casinos offer alcohol to the players is absolutely unethical. They want the gamblers drunk and sloppy. They want your inhibitions gone so that you'll gamble longer, place higher bets, and place the high edge bets.
The casino, like any business, does not do anything unless it helps the bottom line. Free alcohol is expensive. Some buffets offer free beer or wine with the buffet, frequently at an extra cost. The champagne buffets also have a higher cost to offset the cost of the alcohol. Where is the payback associated with the cost of free drinks for gamblers? They earn by fuzzy math and incorrect basic strategy decisions at blackjack, more hardway bets at craps and other side bets, missing the correct hold for that straight flush on video poker. Slots? I guess they aren't all that affected by fuzzy decision making other than how long to play. No wonder they get such slow drink service.
Free alcohol is a lowest and dirtiest trick the casino has up its sleeve. It is such an effective and well ingrained aspect of the casino that players would scream and yell if it was taken away, not unlike trying to take the needle away from the junkie. I have never seen a player cutoff, but I have see players that could barely raise their head off the table long enough to place that next bet.
The casino, like any business, does not do anything unless it helps the bottom line. Free alcohol is expensive. Some buffets offer free beer or wine with the buffet, frequently at an extra cost. The champagne buffets also have a higher cost to offset the cost of the alcohol. Where is the payback associated with the cost of free drinks for gamblers? They earn by fuzzy math and incorrect basic strategy decisions at blackjack, more hardway bets at craps and other side bets, missing the correct hold for that straight flush on video poker. Slots? I guess they aren't all that affected by fuzzy decision making other than how long to play. No wonder they get such slow drink service.
Free alcohol is a lowest and dirtiest trick the casino has up its sleeve. It is such an effective and well ingrained aspect of the casino that players would scream and yell if it was taken away, not unlike trying to take the needle away from the junkie. I have never seen a player cutoff, but I have see players that could barely raise their head off the table long enough to place that next bet.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:19:24 PM
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Here is where I have seen free drinks in casinos:
Atlantic City: Every casino.
Nevada: Every casino.
Tunica: Every casino.
Seneca Niagara: Beer and well drinks only.
Michigan: Bay Mills Indian Community only.
I think that's it, at least where I've been. I honestly can't remember Black Hawk, but I think they charged for them. (I didn't have a drink there, except for a Bloody Mary in the VIP lounge at Ameristar.)
It seems to be motivated by competition more than anything else.
Atlantic City: Every casino.
Nevada: Every casino.
Tunica: Every casino.
Seneca Niagara: Beer and well drinks only.
Michigan: Bay Mills Indian Community only.
I think that's it, at least where I've been. I honestly can't remember Black Hawk, but I think they charged for them. (I didn't have a drink there, except for a Bloody Mary in the VIP lounge at Ameristar.)
It seems to be motivated by competition more than anything else.
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November 10th, 2011 at 1:27:26 PM
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Add Foxwoods and Mohegan sun to the free drinks. EVERY casino in Canada charges for alcoholic drinks.
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November 10th, 2011 at 2:20:26 PM
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Quote: teddysI honestly can't remember Black Hawk, but I think they charged for them. (I didn't have a drink there, except for a Bloody Mary in the VIP lounge at Ameristar.)
Drinks are free in Blackhawk, but the waitresses are very very slow.
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:25:38 PM
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Quote: boymimboSome points:
1. Free Beverages are only offered to PLAYERS. They are not offered to those who are watching or sitting around doing nothing. Slot waitresses normally take a very long time to provide service because they want the player to remain at the slot and lose money. Table players get served much faster because drinking affects their decision making abilities.
If the goal is to get players tipsy so as to make bad decisions, players - including slot players - would get their drinks in 45 seconds. I work at a casino, and I play at casinos, and if I want fast booze service, I simply tip the cocktail waitress $5 to $25 per drink - and she's back with a fresh round in seconds. Cocktail waitresses have an interest in providing service to the players "who are providing service to her."
- If service is slow, maybe you're not generous enough. A nickel ($5) tip is both kind and insures fast service.
- If you're there to drink, go to a bar, instead of a table game or slot machine.
- If you're there to play, you'd be minding your own sobriety, not entrusting anyone else to do it.
Quote: boymimbo2. If a law was in place to not provide free drinks, all casinos would be on the same page and there would be no competition.
We had such a law during prohibition. It didn't work.
Quote: boymimbo3. Alcohol is used as a ply by the casino to make people play dumber and longer, and they will serve you no matter how drunk you are (even though there is policy against that). That, in my opinion, is the very unethical part.
Liquor - along with Coffee, pepsi, water and juices - are used as a customer service courtesy, where we can choose what to drink as we see fit as grown-up adults. Many people (including myself) find this customer service courtesy to be both ethical and gracious.
Quote: boymimboOn the other hand, it is YOUR choice to drink, but we all know that after a couple of drinks, it becomes a slippery slope, and when you're passing the server a buck whether you're drinking water or a martini, you're much more apt to order the martini as it has more "value". Free drinks become a very big part of the gambling equation for many -- go gambling so I can get drunk, cheap.
You yourself said if you get drunk you may lose your money - so how are alcoholic beverages a "better value?" Which one is it?
Whatever you want or choose to drink is simply the "best value" call by the customer, and not by the cocktail waitress, the casino, or anyone else.
Quote: boymimboUp here in Canada, where you pay for your beverages, I've seen people been cut off after a few drinks and have seen people been escorted out for being inebriated.
It's a loss leader to get more people to gamble and it increases the bottom line as the cost of providing free alcohol / drinks << the revenue generated from bad gambling decisions.
Or the better revenue generated by offering better customer service via such courtesies as beverage service and comps, etc. Perfectly reasonable.
Quote: boymimboBut just because I feel it's unethical doesn't mean that I feel that it's wrong (but casinos should stop serving and allowing players to play when drunk). Casinos are a place to have fun and to let loose for a while.
Yes they are.
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:33:57 PM
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I went to Pala casino out here in California, sat down at the VP bar, played a while, ordered a drink and was horrified when the bartender handed me the bill. If getting free alcohol at a casino is wrong, I don't want to be right!
November 10th, 2011 at 3:39:55 PM
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November 10th, 2011 at 4:11:20 PM
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I disagree. Slot players wait much longer than table players for drinks so that they will be more likely to slip more 20s into that slot machine. The casino knows that pressing a button has no effect on the outcome but that a decision at a table does. If I go to the casino bar to drink, then I pay.
And I disagree with the point that the free drinks give the casino better revenue due to customer service. Do I need to bring up Terence Watanabe as an extreme example (he lost $200+ million over one year at Caesar's due to prescription drug and alcohol abuse). The free drinks are there to ply the customers of their money. Customer service? Not a chance.
And I disagree with the point that the free drinks give the casino better revenue due to customer service. Do I need to bring up Terence Watanabe as an extreme example (he lost $200+ million over one year at Caesar's due to prescription drug and alcohol abuse). The free drinks are there to ply the customers of their money. Customer service? Not a chance.
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November 10th, 2011 at 4:46:58 PM
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Quote: boymimboI disagree. Slot players wait much longer than table players for drinks so that they will be more likely to slip more 20s into that slot machine. The casino knows that pressing a button has no effect on the outcome but that a decision at a table does. If I go to the casino bar to drink, then I pay.
Video poker requires concentration and strategy, and most slot play in mature casino markets is Video poker.
Quote: boymimboAnd I disagree with the point that the free drinks give the casino better revenue due to customer service. Do I need to bring up Terence Watanabe as an extreme example (he lost $200+ million over one year at Caesar's due to prescription drug and alcohol abuse). The free drinks are there to ply the customers of their money. Customer service? Not a chance.
It is indeed Customer service to supply a courtesy beverage service, and if it were pulled, customers in Las Vegas would be rioting in the streets.
Believe what you want. I like that casinos exists, and support them as dealer, a player, and a game supplier.
But I'll say this: if you personally think casinos are unethical, you'd be a fool by your own standards and beliefs to patronize them.
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November 10th, 2011 at 5:02:28 PM
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The only way I would consider it unethical is if the casino told you an alcoholic drink did not contain alcohol. As long as they're straight with you, I have no concerns at all.
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November 10th, 2011 at 5:15:34 PM
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Quote: boymimboThe free drinks are there to ply the customers of their money. Customer service? Not a chance.
Aside from an ill-considered, albeit delicious, black Russian, last time in vegas I mostly ordered diet coke, bottled water and coffee. I was served as promptly as other players at the table, and with the same attitude. I tipped $1 every time, too.
No one forced me to get anything else, nor tried to push me to order free alcohol, nor even tried to spike my coke or water with booze. The only problem I had was that I once was given regular coke.
What's unethical about that?
About Watanabe, if he had gotten drunk and stunned once at a casino, he might have a moral case. As it is, he did it several times. I feel bad for the guy. He's obviously a drug addict and a compulsive gambler. And clearly the casino took advantage of that. But to say the casino is solely at fault, exempts him from taking any moral responsibility for his actions. He could have gotten help in between casino trips.
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November 10th, 2011 at 7:18:56 PM
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Missouri gaming law forbids free or discounted drinks at casinos, so I have to pay market price for my Amber Bock or Sam Adams.
I generally don't have more than 1-2 while I'm gambling, but when I've been to Vegas, I do drink more because it's free.
It reminds me of the all inclusive resort we went to for my honeymoon. The wife & I ordered tons of different new drinks we'd never tried before, because if we didn't like it, it didn't cost us anything.
I generally don't have more than 1-2 while I'm gambling, but when I've been to Vegas, I do drink more because it's free.
It reminds me of the all inclusive resort we went to for my honeymoon. The wife & I ordered tons of different new drinks we'd never tried before, because if we didn't like it, it didn't cost us anything.
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November 10th, 2011 at 10:43:42 PM
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In jurisdictions where gambling is legal, a bet is a contract between a player and the casino.
Courts are usually not very sympathetic to people who claim they were intoxicated when they signed a contract. A person cannot escape his liability on a contract on the mere ground that he was intoxicated when he executed it, unless he can show that at the very moment of execution he was so intoxicated that he was unable to understand the nature and consequences of the transaction. (It's probably difficult to convince a judge you didn't know you were in a casino playing real roulette with your own real money.)
Retail businesses with storefronts typically refrain from offering unlimited booze to the general public before contracts are signed. The closest example I can think of where a business offers alcohol to deliberately impair a customer's judgement is at a gentleman's club that sells lap dances. But unlike a casino, strip clubs certainly don't give away the booze for free.
Courts are usually not very sympathetic to people who claim they were intoxicated when they signed a contract. A person cannot escape his liability on a contract on the mere ground that he was intoxicated when he executed it, unless he can show that at the very moment of execution he was so intoxicated that he was unable to understand the nature and consequences of the transaction. (It's probably difficult to convince a judge you didn't know you were in a casino playing real roulette with your own real money.)
Retail businesses with storefronts typically refrain from offering unlimited booze to the general public before contracts are signed. The closest example I can think of where a business offers alcohol to deliberately impair a customer's judgement is at a gentleman's club that sells lap dances. But unlike a casino, strip clubs certainly don't give away the booze for free.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:45:04 PM
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I'll tell what I do when in Vegas. I never order well
drinks, only the good stuff. If you order a Grey Goose and
coke, for instance, you'll get short poured on the GG.
So I order a double shot of GG in a bucket (short glass
with a wide mouth), neat (no ice). And a soda water on
the side. You'll get a lot more booze doing it this way.
When she comes back I give her $3 and tell her to bring
me another right away. She'll do it because of the tip.
I dump the GG into the soda water and when she comes
back I do the same with that one, and give her a dollar.
Now I have a decent drink and don't have to bother her
for awhile. The reason for the bucket is, its a big glass and
a short pour will look really obvious. This is a bucket:
drinks, only the good stuff. If you order a Grey Goose and
coke, for instance, you'll get short poured on the GG.
So I order a double shot of GG in a bucket (short glass
with a wide mouth), neat (no ice). And a soda water on
the side. You'll get a lot more booze doing it this way.
When she comes back I give her $3 and tell her to bring
me another right away. She'll do it because of the tip.
I dump the GG into the soda water and when she comes
back I do the same with that one, and give her a dollar.
Now I have a decent drink and don't have to bother her
for awhile. The reason for the bucket is, its a big glass and
a short pour will look really obvious. This is a bucket:
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November 10th, 2011 at 11:25:27 PM
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Quote: EvenBob...
When she comes back I give her $3 and tell her to bring
me another right away. She'll do it because of the tip.
I don't think $3 will wow any waitress. Maybe at the Klondike or the Longhorn.
$5 (red) is when they take notice.
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November 11th, 2011 at 12:01:52 AM
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$3 is enough, I tested it. No difference between 3 and 5. Big
difference between 2 and 3. I was in the bar business, you
learn where the breaks are. A consistant tipper beats a part
time bigger tipper every time. If you tip a red every time you
get a watered down drink, you're an idiot.
difference between 2 and 3. I was in the bar business, you
learn where the breaks are. A consistant tipper beats a part
time bigger tipper every time. If you tip a red every time you
get a watered down drink, you're an idiot.
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November 11th, 2011 at 4:23:06 AM
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Quote: EvenBob$3 is enough, I tested it. No difference between 3 and 5. Big
difference between 2 and 3. I was in the bar business, you
learn where the breaks are. A consistant tipper beats a part
time bigger tipper every time. If you tip a red every time you
get a watered down drink, you're an idiot.
I ask for straight up, in a bucket ("rocks glass"), with a soda side every time.
Still I give at least a nickel.
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November 11th, 2011 at 5:36:18 AM
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When that four hour roll at the Borgata ended they opened a bottle for the PLAYERS. You think their own employees are going to get a drop? Dice dealers often ask waitresses for drinks, they never get them.Quote: DocMaybe it would even things out if alcohol was freely available (both free in price and free flowing) not just to the players but also to the dealers, floor supervisors, eye-in-the-sky operators, etc.
November 11th, 2011 at 5:42:14 AM
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Um, the "fountains" that we don't see, are DRINKING fountains.Quote: IbeatyouracesWhen the new Casino Windsor opened in 1997 it had a 70 foot fountain/waterfall just as you entered. Dont know if its still there though.
If anything, it's usually the opposite - that of getting a watered down drink.Quote: waltomealThe only way I would consider it unethical is if the casino told you an alcoholic drink did not contain alcohol. As long as they're straight with you, I have no concerns at all.
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November 11th, 2011 at 5:53:27 AM
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Sure and many people order higher level brands at a casino than they would ever be drinking at home, be it beer or booze.
And the waitress assigned to the main entrance is going to offer a drink far sooner to some idiot who is just standing there not gambling than a waitress assigned to some other area of the casino would offer a drink to a man who was just standing there and not gambling. First time I walked into a casino I was a wide eyed gawking tourist without any sun glasses, then I transitioned from the bright oven into the dark and air conditioned casino and stepped out of the aisle to let my eyes adjust because I could barely see anything at all and I immediately hear this voice offering me a complimentary cocktail.
Its not unethical to offer free drinks to offer them a bit more generously at the entrance way or in the high limit areas.
Its unethical but often common in bars to pour more booze if its a generous tipper who is already too plastered and sometimes it happens in a casino. A waitress does want a tip and does not want to offend a gambler since her employer is the casino but if the guy is just too plastered there comes a point where he should be cut off and that means both booze and gambling.
And the waitress assigned to the main entrance is going to offer a drink far sooner to some idiot who is just standing there not gambling than a waitress assigned to some other area of the casino would offer a drink to a man who was just standing there and not gambling. First time I walked into a casino I was a wide eyed gawking tourist without any sun glasses, then I transitioned from the bright oven into the dark and air conditioned casino and stepped out of the aisle to let my eyes adjust because I could barely see anything at all and I immediately hear this voice offering me a complimentary cocktail.
Its not unethical to offer free drinks to offer them a bit more generously at the entrance way or in the high limit areas.
Its unethical but often common in bars to pour more booze if its a generous tipper who is already too plastered and sometimes it happens in a casino. A waitress does want a tip and does not want to offend a gambler since her employer is the casino but if the guy is just too plastered there comes a point where he should be cut off and that means both booze and gambling.
November 11th, 2011 at 7:13:08 AM
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I've seen the casino act unethically many times when it comes to alcohol. I have a friend who regularly gets 86'd from a local place for being too drunk. Security walks him out to his truck and sends him out on the road in that condition. Why would'nt they insist on a cab? I know they continue serving people who have obviously had enough and they don't know if they are driving or not. That should always be taken into consideration. When someone is sitting at the bar for 5 or 6 hours straight and drinking steady the whole time they just let them continue so long as they are not causing trouble. Then the patron gets up and drives home. Since it is local the bartenders and waitresses usually know who they are serving and whether or not they are driving.
November 11th, 2011 at 8:07:55 AM
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November 11th, 2011 at 8:24:32 AM
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...You know alcohol doesn't come out of a drinking fountain right? ...although it should.
November 11th, 2011 at 8:45:52 AM
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November 11th, 2011 at 8:53:55 AM
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These topics are covering a pretty superficial level of behavior. The most unethical behavior of corporations, including gaming corporations, starts with their involvement in politics. Who do you think drives the crackdowns on competition created by internet poker and gaming? It's just like how the 'Drug Free America' lobby is composed of alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical corporations.
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