Chemin de Fer - Social
My neighbors and I have a biweekly poker night. Typically Texas but we tried Omaha as well. I stumbled upon Chemin de Fer while researching Baccarat after a Vegas trip. Intrigued by the concept, I floated it by my buddies and they are game to try it.
1) If Wizard sees this, I'm wondering if you would switch up the play without a commission in effect? Or keep a simple version of the commission and pay it out equally to all players when it gets to a certain size?
2) If anyone else has tried something similar, let me know how it went.
3) I'm open to recommendations for other gambling games for a group of 6-8 friends.
Quote: RedDogRizI'll be trying out Chemin de Fer soon.
My neighbors and I have a biweekly poker night. Typically Texas but we tried Omaha as well. I stumbled upon Chemin de Fer while researching Baccarat after a Vegas trip. Intrigued by the concept, I floated it by my buddies and they are game to try it.
1) If Wizard sees this, I'm wondering if you would switch up the play without a commission in effect? Or keep a simple version of the commission and pay it out equally to all players when it gets to a certain size?
2) If anyone else has tried something similar, let me know how it went.
3) I'm open to recommendations for other gambling games for a group of 6-8 friends.
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generally, the easiest solution for a game that has an edge for the dealer, is to rotate the deal. For blackjack, for example, you would change to the next player as the dealer when the deck needs to be reshuffled
Sometimes people ask about Craps, oddly, which has a long tradition of just passing the dice after 7-out for a group of players.
I'd have to review Chemin de Fer but I imagine the change of dealer for each new deck would work fine
Quote: RedDogRiz1) If Wizard sees this, I'm wondering if you would switch up the play without a commission in effect? Or keep a simple version of the commission and pay it out equally to all players when it gets to a certain size?
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I would not play with the commission in a friendly home game. The banker is incentivized to play with the positional advantage. Everyone else is free to take the other side.
(I wonder whether there's a fair game where the Dealer's hand is face up but they can draw to a Player's natural but Players have to stand when the Dealer has a Natural.)
Quote: charliepatrickThe easiest way to play Chemin de Fer in a fair way is to deal a hand to each player. Then you have to decide whether someone can draw when the other side has a Natural, personally I'd allow it and ignore Naturals. The players can play how they want but the Dealer has to stand on 6 and hit 5. Thus the Dealer has no advantage by playing last.
(I wonder whether there's a fair game where the Dealer's hand is face up but they can draw to a Player's natural but Players have to stand when the Dealer has a Natural.)
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That's a good idea.
When I play pai gow (tiles) against Mrs. Wizard we just both set our hands however we want. There is no house way and no commission because there is no house.
Playing with one Dominate Player and a Banker that rotates upon loss maximizes the social dynamics (I think and will see).
Banco is a direct personal challenge to the Banker.
Suivi is a call for vengeance.
Players earlier in the wagering order can bet high and "steal" the ability for other players to be the Dominate Player or play at all.
As the Dominate Player, exercising Free Will and winning against the odds makes you a hero. Losing in the same situation makes you a fool.
A collective group of Players beating the Banker inspires "Take down the man!" vibes. While winning as the Banker gives the Banker the "I'm greater than all!!" vibe.
My neighbors aren't there for the money or gamble for much money for that matter. We are there for the conversation, the competition, and the drama. I hope Chemin de Fer can deliver that.
Quote: charliepatrickThe easiest way to play Chemin de Fer in a fair way is to deal a hand to each player. Then you have to decide whether someone can draw when the other side has a Natural, personally I'd allow it and ignore Naturals. The players can play how they want but the Dealer has to stand on 6 and hit 5. Thus the Dealer has no advantage by playing last.
(I wonder whether there's a fair game where the Dealer's hand is face up but they can draw to a Player's natural but Players have to stand when the Dealer has a Natural.)
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In Chemin de Fer, there is only one player hand that all the players are betting on.
These days that's the casino version, whether it's Punto Banco, Punto 2000 or similar names - https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/puntobanco.html - and it has strict drawing rules. btw I didn't realise there is a slightly different version - https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/chemindefer.html which has differemt rules for the Player and allows the Dealer some flexibility (it's also unclear whether the Player can draw to a Dealer's natural).Quote: TigerWuQuote: charliepatrickThe easiest way to play Chemin de Fer in a fair way is to deal a hand to each player. Then you have to decide whether someone can draw when the other side has a Natural, personally I'd allow it and ignore Naturals. The players can play how they want but the Dealer has to stand on 6 and hit 5. Thus the Dealer has no advantage by playing last.
(I wonder whether there's a fair game where the Dealer's hand is face up but they can draw to a Player's natural but Players have to stand when the Dealer has a Natural.)
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In Chemin de Fer, there is only one player hand that all the players are betting on.
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However I knew a dealer who had dealt it in London back in the old days, possibly 1960s, and there were multiple hands with the Dealer (which he was) having the option how to play the hand. I don't know whether the house could draw against Player naturals and it was probably before the Gaming Act which defined the casino games that could be played. It was a very skillful job!!
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However I knew a dealer who had dealt it in London back in the old days, possibly 1960s, and there were multiple hands with the Dealer (which he was) having the option how to play the hand. I don't know whether the house could draw against Player naturals and it was probably before the Gaming Act which defined the casino games that could be played. It was a very skillful job!!
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Did he deal Baccarat Banque? That version has two player hands to bet on. I don't know how it worked in casinos, but in Baccarat Banque, the dealer/banker has the option as to which of the two hands he will draw against, which kind of sounds like what you're talking about.
