Craps Ricochet

I recently saw a video about a craps strategy called Ricochet: https://youtu.be/jng7VGo4rUE

You bet nothing until a point is established. Let's say an 8 is established...then you'd lay the 8 for $24, make a don't come bet for $15 and a Yo bet for $1. Then the only thing that can hurt you is the 8.

I'd like to see some of our craps experts, such as AlanM and tuttigym, opine on this strategy. Seems like it would work on a hot, cold or choppy table as there are five ways to win and only one way to lose. This strategy could be leveraged up by adding $25 on Big Red

Quote: Ace2

I recently saw a video about a craps strategy called Ricochet: https://youtu.be/jng7VGo4rUE

You bet nothing until a point is established. Let's say an 8 is established...then you'd lay the 8 for $24, make a don't come bet for $15 and a Yo bet for $1. Then the only thing that can hurt you is the 8.

I'd like to see some of our craps experts, such as AlanM and tuttigym, opine on this strategy. Seems like it would work on a hot, cold or choppy table as there are five ways to win and only one way to lose. This strategy could be leveraged up by adding $25 on Big Red
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Theres plenty that can hurt you.

On every roll that isnt a yo you lose $1.

The DC bet opens the door to any number being rolled and then rolled again for a $15 loss.

A lay on the 8 for $24 could lose as well being one of the "easier" numbers to hit.

Repeating these bets would kill you if you have a hot shooter.

And adding a $25 big red -- a one roll bet -- opens the door to losing $25:on every roll.

Again I have to ask, have you ever played craps?

Yes, I’ve played a lot, but I’ve never dabbled in the exotic bets and strategies. Just a novice relative to you. Ricochet seems to have insurance for almost every scenario

The "ricochet" was one of many plays laid out by John Patrick; he had a fondness for hedging and felt math was more hindrance than help.

Quote: MrV

he had a fondness for hedging and felt math was more hindrance than help.
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Spoken like a veteran

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The DC bet opens the door to any number being rolled and then rolled again for a $15 loss.

Is that a negative? DC bets are positive EV after they travel to a point. With a point of 4/10, don’t bets have a huge 33.3 % advantage over the house

I was watching another craps video, made by a dealer, and he said one the worst plays he often sees is when people take down their don’t bet once a 6 or 8 is established. Unbelievable, removing a bet with a 9.1 % advantage! Apparently they’d rather not take the risk against a 6/8

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Quote: Ace2

DC bets are positive EV after they travel to a point.
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And what advantage do you have before your DC bet travels?

You really need to play craps and stop just reading books.

You have a lopsided view of what actually happens.

Quote: AlanMendelson

And what advantage do you have before your DC bet travels?

You really need to play craps and stop just reading books.

You have a lopsided view of what actually happens.
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I did not invent the Ricochet strategy. As previously posted, you can watch the full video here:

https://youtu.be/jng7VGo4rUE

I believe the advantage to the DC bet is you have the 2, 2 and 12 “”hedged”” since you win or push with them. So you’re “”fully insured”” if those numbers come up. This is an advanced strategy, hopefully I used the right terminology this time. Watch the comprehensive video for a full explanation

So called insurance only opens you to the edge of the additional bet you make.

You really need to play.