MDawg
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August 14th, 2019 at 8:03:52 AM permalink
I don't believe. I know.

Unlike you, I'm not going to just post something based on theory. I have websites where we have tested this. The reason being that people pay me large sums of money to solve this issue for them, just a side business of mine related to some other businesses of mine.

You're mostly in the dark here, sorry.


Anyway, it really comes down to: does the site in question care if you are using a VPN, and do they have the software or have engaged the software from an outside company, to be able to detect VPN use, or even to blow through the VPN IP address. If yes, then it comes down to whether the proxy in question is undetectable, which very few are.
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August 14th, 2019 at 8:31:24 AM permalink
I don't understand all the technical stuff you guys are talking about, however, it shouldn't be too complicated to test. I'm sure I can find some online casino I'm willing to get banned from and lose a little money testing.

And for the record, I am talking about unregulated online casinos.

I'm always wondering how far they are willing to go and what kind of Technology they have in place to detect this sort of stuff. At many online casinos a simple VPN works just fine, of course, that's not to say if you hit something really big they won't start to look a little closer.

Assuming this is something that isn't super complicated or expensive to do, eventually I will figure it out when I decide to pursue it fully, I just haven't really taken the time to look into it more as of yet. I just remain cautious by avoiding places I know crack down on this sort of stuff, and by using what I know so far. I have yet to have a problem, but I'm sure I will run into one eventually.

Obviously, regulated online casinos would be a lot more tricky.
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August 14th, 2019 at 10:23:28 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I don't believe. I know.

Unlike you, I'm not going to just post something based on theory. I have websites where we have tested this. The reason being that people pay me large sums of money to solve this issue for them, just a side business of mine related to some other businesses of mine.



A lawyer with a side business in technical engineering? Have fun with that. Iíve been in the IS Industry for 27 years.

You definitely do not know what you are talking about.
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August 14th, 2019 at 10:36:14 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't understand all the technical stuff you guys are talking about, however, it shouldn't be too complicated to test. I'm sure I can find some online casino I'm willing to get banned from and lose a little money testing.

And for the record, I am talking about unregulated online casinos.

I'm always wondering how far they are willing to go and what kind of Technology they have in place to detect this sort of stuff. At many online casinos a simple VPN works just fine, of course, that's not to say if you hit something really big they won't start to look a little closer.

Assuming this is something that isn't super complicated or expensive to do, eventually I will figure it out when I decide to pursue it fully, I just haven't really taken the time to look into it more as of yet. I just remain cautious by avoiding places I know crack down on this sort of stuff, and by using what I know so far. I have yet to have a problem, but I'm sure I will run into one eventually.

Obviously, regulated online casinos would be a lot more tricky.



I use VPN > Sandbox > Masking Proxy > Relay > Tor Browser (3 more relays) to connect to online poker sites that are US prohibited. The same sites that also block VPN services. I have been doing this for awhile now.

I do not use those services for general browsing like here. I mostly mobile connect here.
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August 14th, 2019 at 11:26:00 AM permalink
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I use VPN > Sandbox > Masking Proxy > Relay > Tor Browser (3 more relays) to connect to online poker sites that are US prohibited. The same sites that also block VPN services. I have been doing this for awhile now.

I do not use those services for general browsing like here. I mostly mobile connect here.



I mean your bank account is most likely in America (guessing) and you transfer from that bank which is American what about that for sure link between you and the transfers. Am I wrong? How is that not proof you are doing something against their ďrulesĒ
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August 14th, 2019 at 11:53:07 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

I use VPN > Sandbox > Masking Proxy > Relay > Tor Browser (3 more relays) to connect to online poker sites that are US prohibited. The same sites that also block VPN services. I have been doing this for awhile now.

I do not use those services for general browsing like here. I mostly mobile connect here.

Can you simplify it for me? When the casino or poker site looks at your account, meaning your connection VPN and all that type of stuff. What is it that they now see using your Technique?

It's from my understanding that if when they look they see that somebody is using some obscure server or something strange they will automatically assume you're using some type of VPN, masking service or server. They might not know exactly what's going on but that won't keep them from shutting off your account if they suspect it. They want to see something that looks normal like some Joe Blow using Cox Communication, Sprint, AT&T coming from a known location.

Now let's take it one step further. Let's assume somebody has multiple laptops or devices they can use. Let's assume they've cleared out all the cookies.

Let's say they have a rule and it's 1 account per household but now let's say I want to use my brother's account, my sister's account, and my wife's account. Is that something one can do from their home without the casino noticing it's all probably the same person? Obviously I'm not talking about poker, I'm talking about just regular online casino gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 14th, 2019 at 12:22:00 PM permalink
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Can you simplify it for me? When the casino or poker site looks at your account, meaning your connection VPN and all that type of stuff. What is it that they now see using your Technique?

It's from my understanding that if when they look they see that somebody is using some obscure server or something strange they will automatically assume you're using some type of VPN, masking service or server. They might not know exactly what's going on but that won't keep them from shutting off your account if they suspect it. They want to see something that looks normal like some Joe Blow using Cox Communication, Sprint, AT&T coming from a known location.

Now let's take it one step further. Let's assume somebody has multiple laptops or devices they can use. Let's assume they've cleared out all the cookies.

Let's say they have a rule and it's 1 account per household but now let's say I want to use my brother's account, my sister's account, and my wife's account. Is that something one can do from their home without the casino noticing it's all probably the same person? Obviously I'm not talking about poker, I'm talking about just regular online casino gambling.



I can absolutely answer that cookies have nothing to do with it although if I were banked like casinos I would have it as a backup. But here is the thing. An IP address is NORMALLY dynamic as in it changes frequently so your up address from your ISP changes every now and again but VPNs are a business with a STATIC mailing address and they have bought a RANGE of IP addresses. Now anyone can make a list of which business owns which range of ip addresses which are static and donít change, and you run a casino, and someone logs on with one of the ip addresses in the range you can know they are on vpn.
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August 14th, 2019 at 1:45:45 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Can you simplify it for me? When the casino or poker site looks at your account, meaning your connection VPN and all that type of stuff. What is it that they now see using your Technique?

It's from my understanding that if when they look they see that somebody is using some obscure server or something strange they will automatically assume you're using some type of VPN, masking service or server. They might not know exactly what's going on but that won't keep them from shutting off your account if they suspect it. They want to see something that looks normal like some Joe Blow using Cox Communication, Sprint, AT&T coming from a known location.

Now let's take it one step further. Let's assume somebody has multiple laptops or devices they can use. Let's assume they've cleared out all the cookies.

Let's say they have a rule and it's 1 account per household but now let's say I want to use my brother's account, my sister's account, and my wife's account. Is that something one can do from their home without the casino noticing it's all probably the same person? Obviously I'm not talking about poker, I'm talking about just regular online casino gambling.



You have to mask the vpn services with a proxy that isnít a part of known vpn service ports. Thatís what they are looking for. If you donít look like you are originating from a vpn service port, all is well.
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August 14th, 2019 at 1:54:41 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

You have to mask the vpn services with a proxy that isnít a part of known vpn service ports. Thatís what they are looking for. If you donít look like you are originating from a vpn service port, all is well.



How do you make sure the VM is not sensing identifying information (somehow the casino knew I was using a VM)?

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