Topcat
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December 16th, 2018 at 3:23:46 PM permalink
In some of the CA Card rooms, with 3 card poker, the dealer exposes his 3rd card. There is a drop or a commission of \$1 per hand. The Wizard states in his other site and answer to another question, "that If the dealer exposes one of his cards, which happens frequently, the player has a 3.48% advantage if the information is used properly. I explain the proper strategy in my book Gambling 102. However, to answer your question, you would fold Q86 against a queen."

So, if one were able to minimize the % drop or \$1 fee per hand , by say betting \$100, (fee per hand is a constant \$1) which i think then makes that fee a -1% , would the player retain an advantage of 3.48-1% or 2.48%?

And do you think the card rooms would allow you to continue to play if you won consistently? How large a bankroll would one need at \$100 a hand, \$5K?
Wizard
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December 16th, 2018 at 4:17:15 PM permalink
Please see my page on California variant of Three Card Poker. There are other rules that cut the dealer's way. I see I don't indicate the overall odds to the game. I'll have to look into that.
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Topcat
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December 18th, 2018 at 8:31:50 AM permalink
Well maybe it is too good to be true?

I see the rule differences/changes from the site below
So I guess my question is what disadvantage does #2 and #3 and does the advantage in #1 +3.48% off set it?. i would think the rule change in # 2 belwo would be the big disadvantage.

Is there software where I can calculate this?

From
/games/3-card-poker-online-casinos/face-three-card-poker/

1) the first major difference between classic Three Card Poker and the Face Up variety occurs here, as the dealer’s hand will show one “up” card along with two “hole” cards. Knowing one of the dealer’s three cards is a crucial item of information, so players definitely benefit from this rule change, but of course, the casino has built in other rule modifications to help offset any advantage offered to players.
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# 2
The second major rule change in Face Up Three Card Poker concerns this concept of dealer qualification. In the classic version of the game, you’ll win even money on your Ante bet whenever the dealer fails to produce a qualifying hand of queen high or better, while your Raise bet will be returned as a push.
So even when you show down nothing but a lowly 8 high in that game, you’ll still win on your Ante bet if the dealer shows down a non-qualifying hand that beats yours, like 9 high, 10 high, or jack high.
3) Another discrepancy between Face Up Three Card Poker and its predecessor concerns the concept of an Ante Bonus. In the classic version of the game, making extremely strong hands like straight flushes and three of a kind entitles players to a bonus payout of between 2 to 1 and 9 to 1, depending on the house rules.
In this game, however, even if you line up the perfect three-card hand of A K Q suited, or the “Mini Royal Flush,” you’ll still earn just the base even money payouts (and only when the dealer qualifies).
Last edited by: Topcat on Dec 18, 2018
gordonm888
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January 4th, 2023 at 4:08:25 PM permalink
Just to be clear, the OP is claiming that player's ante bet still gets paid at 1:1 if the dealer does not qualify and player's hand is beat by dealer's hand -whereas the WOO page addresses a set of rules in which the ante bet merely pushes in that situation when Dealer DNQ but has a higher hand than player's hand.

There's probably a lot of EV in that rule difference because of how frequently it occurs. Maybe a ΔEV of approx. 4%?

Edit: sorry,posted this in the wrong thread.
Last edited by: gordonm888 on Jan 4, 2023
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