Betting tokes in blackjack
I placed a small bet (toke) for the dealer and I was dealt a blackjack. I picked up my winnings but then the dealer picked up the bet and placed it in the house tray. I was expecting they would wait to the end of the round and then pick it up and put it in the toke box. I should have just asked what they were doing, but they were already working with the next player's hand and I forgot to bring it up later.
Is it common rules that the dealer's toke bet be surrendered to the house when the player hits blackjack? I figured the dealer bet would be paid 3:2 like my blackjack and they'd put it in their box like any other toke. Was this a dealer mistake, or is this just the way they do things?
Yes I agree.Quote: PokerGrinderDealer mistake.
Brings up a question. I think I know the answer to the question but i'll ask anyway. If you place a bet for a dealer and it wins can you take it back just before they grab it?
I know, I know, Axel why would you do such a horrible thing? I probably wouldn't, however someone was telling me a story how they were tipping too much (EACH HAND 20%). That person got skipped over before they acted on a hand. 14 vs a 7 or something like that. Dealer said, no, no it's too late. Pit boss said no.
My response was.... I would have taken back the tip immediately win or lose. I think until they put it in the toke Box it's yours. Even then, I'm not sure they wouldn't have to retrieve it. What if it was a mistake with a large denomination chip?
Quote: AxelWolfYes I agree.
Brings up a question. I think I know the answer to the question but i'll ask anyway. If you place a bet for a dealer and it wins can you take it back just before they grab it?
I know, I know, Axel why would you do such a horrible thing? I probably wouldn't, however someone was telling me a story how they were tipping too much (EACH HAND 20%). That person got skipped over before they acted on a hand. 14 vs a 7 or something like that. Dealer said, no, no it's too late. Pit boss said no.
My response was.... I would have taken back the tip immediately win or lose. I think until they put it in the toke Box it's yours. Even then, I'm not sure they wouldn't have to retrieve it. What if it was a mistake with a large denomination chip?
I may have told you that story -- or perhaps someone told you the same thing.
My friend (well, another dealer I dealt with) was playing $5 or sometimes $10 for himself and $1 for the dealer, almost every hand. Pair of 8's, splits, catches a ten on the first one, waves it off, dealer deals a 7 or 6 or something (for 14 or 15) on second hand....dealer justifies it as he waved it off to stand. I think I had a $10 or so bet out there and a $1 for the dealer. I won the bet...my friend lost one and won one. I grabbed the $2 in front of my money immediately, told my friend to do the same....I don't remember if he took it back or not.
A while back, a guy on our BJ team was playing, emptied the blacks out of the tray (no purple in tray)....he gets up to leave, pockets full of black, puts his last $100 (4 greens) toward the dealer. Dealer thought it was a tip (since he won like $4k or something), so she dropped it in the box...he was at least slightly embarrassed when he said it wasn't a tip and he wanted to color it up...dealer was like, "I don't have any more blacks, you took them all!" But the boss came over, took out 4 greens from the toke box....with maybe $1 or $2 remaining in the toke box. lol
Dealer is dealing BJ, and had collected about $25 in tokes (5 nickels).
Dealer places the 5 nickels in the shuffle area, and takes out a quarter (green $25 chip).
Dealer taps the $25 chip, says "thank you" to the players, and drops it in the toke box.
Dealer then collects the 5 nickel chips, and smoothly drops them into the toke box (not the rack).
Dealer claps and clears hands, and resumes play, with all steps done in fluid, quick and natural "dealer-ish looking" motions.
Surveillance did not even notice or call down.
If so how tempted were you to turn them in.
Quote: PaigowdanNone whatsoever, just shook my head, thought it was funny, and that the dealer was just on auto-pilot dealing with checks all day.
How do reviews work for dealers? Do they go back and view random tape as an audit or do things like this have to be caught immediately?
Quote: GWAEHow do reviews work for dealers? Do they go back and view random tape as an audit or do things like this have to be caught immediately?
If it is not during an audit (periods of where dealers are graded for speed and accuracy), it can be random checking by surveillance.
Generally, most dealer performance issues in the pit are the task and responsibility of their floor supervisors, where if caught in an error, then surveillance is called for verification or for a description of what happened/what they saw. Sometimes one-off things slip through unnoticed.
Quote: PaigowdanNone whatsoever, just shook my head, thought it was funny, and that the dealer was just on auto-pilot dealing with checks all day.
You want card-counters flogged and chained but a dealer steals money outright and you think it's funny.
LOL, good catch. Get ready for a 5 paragraph justification how it was an honest mistake or whatever... blah, blah, blah.Quote: RogerKintYou want card-counters flogged and chained but a dealer steals money outright and you think it's funny.
Slutty Keshain her Video... blah, blah blah (slutty in a good way)
Even sluttyier her first big hit. LOL...Gotta love the 70's guy in the gold Trans AM(Barry)
Got to love that Video.
To all my homies there will be a Trivia question about the Video.
Quote: RogerKintYou want card-counters flogged and chained but a dealer steals money outright and you think it's funny.
Quote: RSDo you support stealing money from the casino, Paigowdan?
No, I don't support it.
1. Policing the pit isn't my job, it's the job of surveillance and the shift manager/pit boss.
2. Dealer was on auto-pilot, got confused and made an error I assumed was one-off. If it's her side career, then sure, I'd report her, but she'd be gone by that point.
3. I wasn't going to worry about this, and I didn't, so I enjoyed it.
If it bothers you, then you report it.
Quote: PaigowdanNo, I don't support it.
1. Policing the pit isn't my job, it's the job of surveillance and the shift manager/pit boss.
2. Dealer was on auto-pilot, got confused and made an error I assumed was one-off. If it's her side career, then sure, I'd report her, but she'd be gone by that point.
3. I wasn't going to worry about this, and I didn't, so I enjoyed it.
If it bothers you, then you report it.
3 good reasons why not to report the dealer is flashing the HC. :)
Quote: AxelWolfLOL, good catch. Get ready for a 5 paragraph justification how it was an honest mistake or whatever... blah, blah, blah.
Slutty Keshain her Video... blah, blah blah (slutty in a good way)
Even sluttyier her first big hit. LOL...Gotta love the 70's guy in the gold Trans AM(Barry)
Got to love that Video.
To all my homies there will be a Trivia question about the Video.
I just laughed really hard. Axel never in a million years would I have guessed you as a Kesha fan.
She had me at "wake up in the morning" Blonde hair, bright blue eyes, short shorts and boots.... What's not to like? I like a wide variety of music 50's rock to Marilyn Manson, 70's (even some disco) punk, practically anything from the 80's, 90's(-the backstreet boys) , heavy metal, pop, some limited rap, blues.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfLOL, good catch. Get ready for a 5 paragraph justification how it was an honest mistake or whatever... blah, blah, blah.
Slutty Keshain her Video... blah, blah blah (slutty in a good way)
sthe 70's guy in the gold Trans AM(Barry)
Got to love that Video.
To all my homies there will be a Trivia question about the Video.
I just laughed really hard. Axel never in a million years would I have guessed you as a Kesha fan.
I can do without R&B like Destiny's Child type music.
Arctic Monkeys: Do I Wanna Know. for some reason I really like that song.
From what I hear RS likes Rebecca Black.
Quote: RS3 good reasons why not to report the dealer is flashing the HC. :)
Yes, exactly.
If you don't report flashing dealers (and you don't), then you can't make demands onto others as to what to report. I'll report what I feel is necessary at my discretion, like anyone else.
But sometimes you just have to lean back in your chair and watch the clouds go by, even if they look odd.
Such would be the case in a single incident of dealer taking the quarter as a toke, and then the 5 nickels as well.
On Friday I was dealt a blackjack, 75 bet, dealer immediately paid my 3:2.
I held my hand over my cards (beyond my chips) palm down, which drew the dealer's attention.
Then pointed with index finger at Dealers hand, Ace showing.
Dealer paused one half a second, then peeked, then turned BJ.
Then dealer picked up my 'almost winning' chips, knocked for a push, and proceeded to gather the rest of the chips on the table.
Now I don't know how this would have unfolded had I taken no action to point out an error.
I could have come out ahead, the dealer might have remembered my payout and asked for it back, etc, etc.
I didn't think, there was no time to think. I instinctively and instantaneously pointed out the error.
'twas the only error I noticed in 4.5 hours of play, 'twas a good dealer and always the same relief dealer.
Do what seems 'natural' to you, eff the rest of them guys ;-)
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI try to be 'the good guy' almost always, in almost all endeavors.
But sometimes you just have to lean back in your chair and watch the clouds go by, even if they look odd.
Such would be the case in a single incident of dealer taking the quarter as a toke, and then the 5 nickels as well.
On Friday I was dealt a blackjack, 75 bet, dealer immediately paid my 3:2.
I held my hand over my cards (beyond my chips) palm down, which drew the dealer's attention.
Then pointed with index finger at Dealers hand, Ace showing.
Dealer paused one half a second, then peeked, then turned BJ.
Then dealer picked up my 'almost winning' chips, knocked for a push, and proceeded to gather the rest of the chips on the table.
Now I don't know how this would have unfolded had I taken no action to point out an error.
I could have come out ahead, the dealer might have remembered my payout and asked for it back, etc, etc.
I didn't think, there was no time to think. I instinctively and instantaneously pointed out the error.
'twas the only error I noticed in 4.5 hours of play, 'twas a good dealer and always the same relief dealer.
Do what seems 'natural' to you, eff the rest of them guys ;-)
Rewards will be many for you . Maybe not today or tomorrow but being an honest person has no down fall . It just doesn't. I would bet you sleep well at night .
Quote: PaigowdanA funny dealer tip maneuver I saw at the Tropicana a while ago....
That's not funny at all. The dealer is just straight up stealing money. How the hell can you condemn APs and be amused by indisputable theft?
Quote: PaigowdanYes, exactly.
If you don't report flashing dealers (and you don't), then you can't make demands onto others as to what to report. I'll report what I feel is necessary at my discretion, like anyone else.
I'm not demanding you report anything, or anyone else report anything.
I just find it very odd you have this fervor to stop all APs and do whatever you can (even if it hurts the average joe tremendously).....but as soon as a REAL issue to the casino, a DEALER STEALING OUT IN THE OPEN, you're just like oh haha that's funny! And say nothing. Thn why don't you support dealers stealing from the casino, if you thought this was funny and not report-worthy?
Quote: RSI'm not demanding you report anything, or anyone else report anything.
I just find it very odd you have this fervor to stop all APs and do whatever you can (even if it hurts the average joe tremendously).....but as soon as a REAL issue to the casino, a DEALER STEALING OUT IN THE OPEN, you're just like oh haha that's funny! And say nothing. Thn why don't you support dealers stealing from the casino, if you thought this was funny and not report-worthy?
Chrissakes......
No, I didn't find it a major issue at all, the dealer being either confused, or a dingbat, or busting a move...and yeah, it was funny to see if noticed and deciphered. If there were a hundred other dealers at her place then 99% of that money wouldn't have gone to her anyway, so I figured it was more of an auto-pilot goof up than a conspiracy of any sort.
I also didn't think it was an issue in the sense that an AP player could relate to such maneuvers, I mean in a "looking out for number 1 versus the casino" fashion and all, - and IF it were a deliberate maneuver - which I doubt.
On the extra $25 she would have personally made 25 cents, not much of a plus EV here.
