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February 10th, 2014 at 4:53:04 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

You should always talk to a host prior to checking out...many places will be more generous AFTER they have seen your action. Sometimes its their fault. Perhaps your prior visit reflected poor attention on their part in rating your play. They do make mistakes and they do have other players to attend to also. That is one reason I tip so promptly upon handing over my card. The dealer and the floor person are going to remember me for the tip and for the size of my first bet.



Flea is absolutely right, and I've benefitted from taking extra time at checkout to ask them to review; if they haven't already comped my trip, they will do it then. However, I've never played at his level, and yet I've had them come find me on day 2 or 3, when they know I'm staying even longer, and say "you should be with a host", or even have the host come up and introduce themselves and initiate offers and comps on the spot. No way someone who plays at the level he's proposing has to wait to be noticed, or not get taken care of ahead of time.
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February 10th, 2014 at 4:53:05 PM permalink
If I were gonna be playin that big then I would certainly make prior arrangement for a HEFT loss rebate. Once established I would wire ahead half or more of the money I planned on put at risk, and leave it on deposit with the casino just to shoe em that yer a serious cat, hey hey.
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February 10th, 2014 at 5:03:20 PM permalink
Quote: bw

I was not going to bring it up, as I am not the grammar or spelling police, but the word noone is poor form.



I meant perfect for the internet. I noticed the uncapitalized i's as well.
Tomspur
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February 10th, 2014 at 5:08:48 PM permalink
brigada,

The way casinos start off the negotiation is by establishing how mush money you are willing to transfer to their "holding accounts". Once the transfer has been successfully received then they will happilly enter into negotiations with you. They will discuss the following in my experience.

1) Loss rebates (I have no idea up to which level)
2) RFB comps (Your entire stay should be comped as well as meals and drinks)
3) There may be extra comps available to you dependant on your play such as your return air ticket paid for and then obviously any future trips they will be happy to fly you out.

In return you will have to play for a set amount of time per day. I don't believe they will tell you what to bet but in order for certain levels of comps and rebates to apply you will have to maintain a pre arranged average bet for the pre arranged time frame.

Most casino hosts are pretty good at their jobs but if you are talking the amounts of money you are then you will have to be approved by the Director of Marketing as well as the VP of gaming operations.

Let's look at an example of your comp level. Say you bet $10k average for 4 hours of play on Baccarat. Your theoretical should be in the vicinity of $18,000 at which level they will probably comp you between $1500 and $2700. That would go towards your on property spending including rooms, dinners, shows and so on.

Any other rebates you negotiate will depend on your bankroll and your deal with the casino. They will be weary of you because you are a foreigner and they will more than likely never have heard of you before so expect the rebates to be a little stingy until they get to know you.

These are only my opinions and in no way reflect the rules and regulations of any casino I have, am or will be involved with.........(ace should be proud of my indemnity) :)

All the best and have fun!
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February 10th, 2014 at 5:11:33 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Link?

This is his most recent TR, although it's not as eventful as some of his past TR's. (You'll definitely want to check those out, too)
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101454


Also, here's where he briefly mentions his marathon stay at the Wynn:
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=890416#post890416
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February 10th, 2014 at 6:58:05 PM permalink
It hasn't been mentioned yet, but wearing wooden shoes inside Vegas casinos is frowned upon.
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February 10th, 2014 at 7:23:19 PM permalink
Actually since it is your first trip to Las Vegas a casino may be interested in "investing" in you a little bit and instead of being a bit wary of you since they don't know who you are, they may be willing to sweeten the comps just a wee bit. Host do still have some discretion.

Remember, your comps are based on your ACTION, so if you win, even if you win a rather great amount, your comp account will not be penalized and if you lose, your comps are supposed to keep you happy enough to come back to them.

Good luck.
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February 10th, 2014 at 7:27:26 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Actually since it is your first trip to Las Vegas a casino may be interested in "investing" in you a little bit and instead of being a bit wary of you since they don't know who you are, they may be willing to sweeten the comps just a wee bit. Host do still have some discretion.

Remember, your comps are based on your ACTION, so if you win, even if you win a rather great amount, your comp account will not be penalized and if you lose, your comps are supposed to keep you happy enough to come back to them.

Good luck.



Flea, not sure I can agree with you. There are not too many casinos out there who will negotiate with a guy they know nothing about who is willing to deposit, let's say $500k into their accounts. They will give him the standard 1%-3% cash back if you reach your trip theoretical but thee is no way they sweeten the deal without him actually being there and putting in the hours.

This is only my opinion so I wish you all the best and hopefully you can negotiate as well as you can and get a great deal. In my experience the good deals will come either while there or on your next trip.
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February 10th, 2014 at 8:01:36 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Sorry. Though some of that overly long post from me is vital. For instance, if you arrive at the Venetian by airport shuttle, you will be dropped at remote doorway, have to walk by an extra, though concealed, security camera and will actually be asked additional questions when you check in. The Venetian is one of the safest, if not the safest, casino in town, but some of their methods are weird and you do not want to start out with a black mark with them and then try to get them to be very generous.



This is interesting. Do you know what it is that they are looking for or worried about in this situation?
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February 10th, 2014 at 9:33:21 PM permalink
Quote: brigada

Thank you all for your prompt (and lenghty! Fleastiff) answers.

I'm more informed now as to what is considered ''normal'' comps-wise; the comps and negotiating them are part of the playing pleasure for me if you understand what i mean. Since i have 0 experience in the USA i am just trying to get some info and tips & tricks beforehand.

It surprises me noone mentioned any commercial services yet (maybe there aren't any?), which would be very interesting. Sounds like a good business idea as well and i will have to investigate that further!

May all your spins be wins,

with regard



Yes there are "professional hosts" who are paid by the casinos but work on behalf of the players by negotiating the best deal for the players at the various casinos. I know of a professional host who would no doubt love your business. Send me a private message if you would like to contact him. But you are on your own once you decide to let him represent you -- and I offer no guarantees that he is better than other professional hosts.

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