konceptum
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:01:50 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

I tend to tip more if I know the dealers box their own tips. That way I can reward dealers for good service

This is the reason I tip $1 at the end of a dealer's half hour at the table. I really wish I could get more people to tip this way. A good dealer, providing good service, and every player throws them $1 at the end of their half our at the table. At an average of 7 players per table, that amounts to $14 per hour. Accounting for liberal breaks, a good dealer should thus be making at least $10 per hour, in "quality service" tips. Add to this any tips for large pots, say over $20, of $1 per large pot. I really don't think it should be difficult for a good dealer to make at least $15 per hour this way, and probably closer to $20 per hour.

The other reason I like it is it rewards the good dealers. The ones that keep the action flowing, let people know when it's their turn, how many people are in the hand, who's all-in, etc, etc. As opposed to the dealers who just sit there and say and do practically nothing.
slyther
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:00:12 PM permalink
For me it's a buck after a winning hand in ring games, 2-3% of the prize in tournaments
DJTeddyBear
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:12:02 PM permalink
Quote: slyther

For me it's a buck after a winning hand in ring games, 2-3% of the prize in tournaments

That brings up a whole 'nuther discussion.

Some tournaments have a portion of the buy-in going directly to the dealers. Double check before you tip in a tournament.

I'm not saying that in that case you don't tip, but it would certainly affect the number when I'm doing the tipping.
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slyther
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:26:18 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


Some tournaments have a portion of the buy-in going directly to the dealers. Double check before you tip in a tournament.

I'm not saying that in that case you don't tip, but it would certainly affect the number when I'm doing the tipping.



Agreed and I do factor that in. I also factor high rake more heavily.
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:33:32 PM permalink
Just curious, what do you consider high rake in a low limit game? Also, do you factor in the bad beat rake, an involuntary bet you are forced to make on the worst bet in the casino ?
slyther
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:45:31 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Just curious, what do you consider high rake in a low limit game? Also, do you factor in the bad beat rake, an involuntary bet you are forced to make on the worst bet in the casino ?



Sorry I was referring to tournament rake affecting my usual 2-3% tip. The lower buyin tournaments tend to have a higher house rake of course.

As far as cash games go, I would much prefer playing at a place that does not have any sort of bad beat jackpot, etc which is why I love playing at Venetian when I'm in town.

My general feeling is that most poker players tend to like the bad beat / high hand , etc jackpots but to me it's just extra money out of the pot for what amount to a lottery ticket. I've seen casinos taking $3-4 for the house and in some cases $2 for the jackpots lately. Yuck. Especially for a 1/2 NL low roller like me.
buzzpaff
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:50:42 PM permalink
My last visit to Blackhawk the casinos were raking $4 plus $2 for bad beat. Needless to say i did not play. Talk about GREEDY !
DJTeddyBear
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July 9th, 2012 at 2:47:21 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

My last visit to Blackhawk the casinos were raking $4 plus $2 for bad beat. Needless to say i did not play. Talk about GREEDY !

Assuming the entire bad beat rake is returned to the players, (and supposedly, it IS all returned to the players, sooner or later...), then the $4 rake isn't so bad.

What's the bad beat qualifier? Is it relatively low? If so, maybe it hits so often that if it were merely a $1 rake, then it wouldn't grow to high enough totals.

And $4 for the house rake is typical for AC. I think most places in PA rake $5 for the house.
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July 9th, 2012 at 3:28:15 PM permalink
All bad beat bets are horrible. I mean especially if you are an active player. Not some rock of ages. The loosest players contribute the majority to any bad beat jackpot. Those $2 bad beat rakes can pull an easy $100 an hour of the table. Money that I can not win back from the other players.
Tiltpoul
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July 9th, 2012 at 3:56:56 PM permalink
I think a "fair" rake is 4+1 (4 for the rake, up to 10%, 1 for the BB jackpot). While I don't play for a Bad Beat jackpot, as long as 100% gets returned to the players somehow (which most jurisdictions require), I figure it will balance out. However, when the casinos start taking out administration fees, that angers me.

$5 for a rake + 1 is the standard in the Midwest, but the scary part is that more urban casinos (like Detroit and Ohio) it's getting up to $6 + 1 or 2. Luckily dealers share their tips in those markets, so I don't feel it necessary to tip as much.
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