Tipping in poker
July 8th, 2012 at 5:41:12 AM
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The rule that your tips shouldn't be entirely dependent on your winnings - is that still true in poker, or do losing poker players get a break since there's always going to be a winner at the table? I've only ever seen anyone tip from a pot.
Moreover, what's a good amount at the higher-stakes tables? At low-limit and low-stakes no-limit tables, a white seems to be the rule - is the small blind typically a good amount, or should it rise more slowly than that?
Moreover, what's a good amount at the higher-stakes tables? At low-limit and low-stakes no-limit tables, a white seems to be the rule - is the small blind typically a good amount, or should it rise more slowly than that?
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
July 8th, 2012 at 6:20:50 AM
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Quote: 24BingoThe rule that your tips shouldn't be entirely dependent on your winnings - is that still true in poker, or do losing poker players get a break since there's always going to be a winner at the table? I've only ever seen anyone tip from a pot.
Moreover, what's a good amount at the higher-stakes tables? At low-limit and low-stakes no-limit tables, a white seems to be the rule - is the small blind typically a good amount, or should it rise more slowly than that?
At any table I ever played at only the winner tips. 99% of the time the winner will throw a tip, and if they do not it is usually because they honestly forgot and throw one next hand with a "sorry, bro" thrown in. Poker players look down on stiffs and there is some peer pressure to comply.
A small blind-size tip is the norm for a regular pot, two or rarely three small blinds for a big pot. Only definition of a big pot is "you know one when you see one."
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July 8th, 2012 at 6:47:42 AM
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its a $1 regardless of the limits. if you just steal the blinds or just the bb defends and c/fs the flop. no tip.
July 8th, 2012 at 8:47:50 AM
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I'm not particularly concerned if the other players think I am a stiff prior, but I don't tip until I am done. I'll usually tip $5.00 if I am down after the session or 5% of my winnings if I am up. If I am up less than $100, then it is again the $5.00 as 5% of winnings would be lower.
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July 8th, 2012 at 9:14:54 AM
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This might cause some drama for you. Most dealers are on 30-45 minute rotations at tables. If you wait until you're done playing you run the risk of not tipping a few dealers if they're on break or if their shift has ended. I don't think I've ever seen someone wait until they're done before they tip
July 8th, 2012 at 9:24:53 AM
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Quote: BeardgoatThis might cause some drama for you. Most dealers are on 30-45 minute rotations at tables. If you wait until you're done playing you run the risk of not tipping a few dealers if they're on break or if their shift has ended. I don't think I've ever seen someone wait until they're done before they tip
That's different, I always slide the dealer $5.00 if they're leaving, but I usually ask if they are coming back or not. If it's just a break, then I usually don't tip the relief dealer unless I win a hand and the dealer going on break still gets tipped at the end.
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July 8th, 2012 at 5:32:35 PM
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I tip a $1 per won pot, regardless of size, unless the pot consists of only a small and big blind. At the end of the dealer's 30 minutes at the table, if I felt the dealer was a good dealer, I tip $1 as the dealer is leaving. This tip is regardless of whether or not I won anything during the dealer's time, and is only based upon the quality of the dealer.
July 8th, 2012 at 5:57:09 PM
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Personally, typically I tip $1 for pots over $10, $2 for pots over $40, and at least $3 for pots over $100.
I've seen people tip when they get a walk! That's just wrong. If you're gonna do that, then you should just chop.
The manager of the poker league I deal for used to be a poker dealer at Taj Mahal. She tells me that poker players generally over-tip, and the lower the stakes, the more likely the players are to over-tip.
I've seen people tip when they get a walk! That's just wrong. If you're gonna do that, then you should just chop.
The manager of the poker league I deal for used to be a poker dealer at Taj Mahal. She tells me that poker players generally over-tip, and the lower the stakes, the more likely the players are to over-tip.
In most poker rooms, the dealers are on a rotation where they sit at a table for a specified period (half hour?) then move on. It's not uncommon for a dealer to sit at a particular table only once or twice during their entire shift. Notethat in most poker rooms, the dealers do NOT pool their tips.Quote: Mission146That's different, I always slide the dealer $5.00 if they're leaving, but I usually ask if they are coming back or not. If it's just a break, then I usually don't tip the relief dealer unless I win a hand and the dealer going on break still gets tipped at the end.
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July 9th, 2012 at 7:08:24 AM
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DJ,
I'll keep that in mind from now on, but like I said, I usually give them $5.00 if they're not coming back to the table. That's pretty good, because the way I play, I probaby will not win five pots in forty-five minutes...I play pretty conservatively.
I'll keep that in mind from now on, but like I said, I usually give them $5.00 if they're not coming back to the table. That's pretty good, because the way I play, I probaby will not win five pots in forty-five minutes...I play pretty conservatively.
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July 9th, 2012 at 10:40:36 AM
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I'll be honest... I tend to tip more if I know the dealers box their own tips. That way I can reward dealers for good service or good hands or preferably the combination. If they share tips (which is rare, but still exists), it's $1 for any size pot, and nothing for SB/BB +1 bet.
I also tend to tip more if the rake is lower, as a reward for keeping rakes low. I know the dealers have little control over it, but if enough of them complain, then maybe it changes. Probably not, I know, but I want to make sure they know I appreciate them taking less of my money on a pot-per-pot basis.
I also tend to tip more if the rake is lower, as a reward for keeping rakes low. I know the dealers have little control over it, but if enough of them complain, then maybe it changes. Probably not, I know, but I want to make sure they know I appreciate them taking less of my money on a pot-per-pot basis.
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:01:50 PM
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This is the reason I tip $1 at the end of a dealer's half hour at the table. I really wish I could get more people to tip this way. A good dealer, providing good service, and every player throws them $1 at the end of their half our at the table. At an average of 7 players per table, that amounts to $14 per hour. Accounting for liberal breaks, a good dealer should thus be making at least $10 per hour, in "quality service" tips. Add to this any tips for large pots, say over $20, of $1 per large pot. I really don't think it should be difficult for a good dealer to make at least $15 per hour this way, and probably closer to $20 per hour.Quote: TiltpoulI tend to tip more if I know the dealers box their own tips. That way I can reward dealers for good service
The other reason I like it is it rewards the good dealers. The ones that keep the action flowing, let people know when it's their turn, how many people are in the hand, who's all-in, etc, etc. As opposed to the dealers who just sit there and say and do practically nothing.
July 9th, 2012 at 1:00:12 PM
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For me it's a buck after a winning hand in ring games, 2-3% of the prize in tournaments
July 9th, 2012 at 1:12:02 PM
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That brings up a whole 'nuther discussion.Quote: slytherFor me it's a buck after a winning hand in ring games, 2-3% of the prize in tournaments
Some tournaments have a portion of the buy-in going directly to the dealers. Double check before you tip in a tournament.
I'm not saying that in that case you don't tip, but it would certainly affect the number when I'm doing the tipping.
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:26:18 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
Some tournaments have a portion of the buy-in going directly to the dealers. Double check before you tip in a tournament.
I'm not saying that in that case you don't tip, but it would certainly affect the number when I'm doing the tipping.
Agreed and I do factor that in. I also factor high rake more heavily.
July 9th, 2012 at 1:33:32 PM
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Just curious, what do you consider high rake in a low limit game? Also, do you factor in the bad beat rake, an involuntary bet you are forced to make on the worst bet in the casino ?
July 9th, 2012 at 1:45:31 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffJust curious, what do you consider high rake in a low limit game? Also, do you factor in the bad beat rake, an involuntary bet you are forced to make on the worst bet in the casino ?
Sorry I was referring to tournament rake affecting my usual 2-3% tip. The lower buyin tournaments tend to have a higher house rake of course.
As far as cash games go, I would much prefer playing at a place that does not have any sort of bad beat jackpot, etc which is why I love playing at Venetian when I'm in town.
My general feeling is that most poker players tend to like the bad beat / high hand , etc jackpots but to me it's just extra money out of the pot for what amount to a lottery ticket. I've seen casinos taking $3-4 for the house and in some cases $2 for the jackpots lately. Yuck. Especially for a 1/2 NL low roller like me.
July 9th, 2012 at 1:50:42 PM
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My last visit to Blackhawk the casinos were raking $4 plus $2 for bad beat. Needless to say i did not play. Talk about GREEDY !
July 9th, 2012 at 2:47:21 PM
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Assuming the entire bad beat rake is returned to the players, (and supposedly, it IS all returned to the players, sooner or later...), then the $4 rake isn't so bad.Quote: buzzpaffMy last visit to Blackhawk the casinos were raking $4 plus $2 for bad beat. Needless to say i did not play. Talk about GREEDY !
What's the bad beat qualifier? Is it relatively low? If so, maybe it hits so often that if it were merely a $1 rake, then it wouldn't grow to high enough totals.
And $4 for the house rake is typical for AC. I think most places in PA rake $5 for the house.
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July 9th, 2012 at 3:28:15 PM
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All bad beat bets are horrible. I mean especially if you are an active player. Not some rock of ages. The loosest players contribute the majority to any bad beat jackpot. Those $2 bad beat rakes can pull an easy $100 an hour of the table. Money that I can not win back from the other players.
July 9th, 2012 at 3:56:56 PM
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I think a "fair" rake is 4+1 (4 for the rake, up to 10%, 1 for the BB jackpot). While I don't play for a Bad Beat jackpot, as long as 100% gets returned to the players somehow (which most jurisdictions require), I figure it will balance out. However, when the casinos start taking out administration fees, that angers me.
$5 for a rake + 1 is the standard in the Midwest, but the scary part is that more urban casinos (like Detroit and Ohio) it's getting up to $6 + 1 or 2. Luckily dealers share their tips in those markets, so I don't feel it necessary to tip as much.
$5 for a rake + 1 is the standard in the Midwest, but the scary part is that more urban casinos (like Detroit and Ohio) it's getting up to $6 + 1 or 2. Luckily dealers share their tips in those markets, so I don't feel it necessary to tip as much.
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July 10th, 2012 at 10:41:57 AM
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Quote: buzzpaffAll bad beat bets are horrible. I mean especially if you are an active player. Not some rock of ages. The loosest players contribute the majority to any bad beat jackpot. Those $2 bad beat rakes can pull an easy $100 an hour of the table. Money that I can not win back from the other players.
Isn't the bad beat in most casinos 0 EV, though? I suppose you could look at it as penalizing loose (sorry, "active") play, since you'll be candidate for more qualifying pots and few to no more qualifying hands, but the game itself does a decent job of penalizing loose play... it's certainly not "the worst bet in the casino." Especially if you know when to fold 'em in the first place.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
July 10th, 2012 at 10:57:36 AM
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I despise the bad beat jackpots. Not only because of the extra rake used to fund it, but mainly because of the bad plays it encourages. When I have a great hand, which gets revealed at a showdown, and someone says to me, "You shouldn't have been betting. Hoped someone stayed in and caught four of a kind (or whatever)," I respond with, "No. That's stupid. I'm here to win your money. Not hope that someone backs their stupid butt into a bad beat."
July 10th, 2012 at 11:16:49 AM
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$3+$1 is great. $4+$1 is bearable. $4+$2 and $5+$1 is horrible.
July 10th, 2012 at 11:57:38 AM
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Quote: 24BingoIsn't the bad beat in most casinos 0 EV, though? I suppose you could look at it as penalizing loose (sorry, "active") play, since you'll be candidate for more qualifying pots and few to no more qualifying hands, but the game itself does a decent job of penalizing loose play... it's certainly not "the worst bet in the casino." Especially if you know when to fold 'em in the first place.
I beg to differ. It is a bet I am forced to make. yes, I do know how to play poker. Bad enough the rake removes money from the table I might have a chance of winning, but it takes an additional $60-$100 off the table each hour. Yes, most of this comes from loose players and calling station. Just the kind of fish I do not want running out of money. I am not a math guy, but even aces full being beat , with 2 cards in each hand , is a really long shot. Some places have Quads being beat.
Worse yet are the rocks who not only sit there, but always eat lunch or dinner for 45 minutes to an hour, just to remain in the bad beat jackpot. There is no worse bet in the house than the bad bet jackpots. PERIOD .
July 10th, 2012 at 11:59:40 AM
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Are you saying you would prefer that the seat be empty, but locked up for that length of time?Quote: buzzpaffWorse yet ... always eat lunch or dinner for 45 minutes to an hour, just to remain in....
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July 10th, 2012 at 12:08:48 PM
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No. I am saying Rocks are bottom feeder. Easy to beat in the long run, hard to beat in the short run. Hard to get any real action out of them. But they drag lunch or dinner to absolute maximum allowed. Because in many casino it only causes you a missed blind button to be active for bad beat jackpots while you are away from the table.
This one retired couple , both formerly school teachers, will never play at a table I am at. I raise their blinds every time. Small blinds and big blinds. They don't get to see free hands while I am around LOL. She is a ROCK, he is the biggest rock ( and dumb ) you will ever see. He will call with ACES preflop and wait to see the flop before doing any raising. Of course the guy will 3 6, 10, flops two pair and kills him. LOL
This one retired couple , both formerly school teachers, will never play at a table I am at. I raise their blinds every time. Small blinds and big blinds. They don't get to see free hands while I am around LOL. She is a ROCK, he is the biggest rock ( and dumb ) you will ever see. He will call with ACES preflop and wait to see the flop before doing any raising. Of course the guy will 3 6, 10, flops two pair and kills him. LOL
July 10th, 2012 at 4:41:25 PM
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...you don't have a clue what you're doing. Stop blaming the rake.
(Although yeah, limping with aces is stupid.)
(Although yeah, limping with aces is stupid.)
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July 10th, 2012 at 4:46:49 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffThere is no worse bet in the house than the bad bet jackpots. PERIOD .
Keno? 70%+ HE in some places?
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July 10th, 2012 at 5:15:59 PM
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Whatever the rake was round up to $.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
July 10th, 2012 at 5:52:40 PM
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Quote: NareedKeno? 70%+ HE in some places?
I would much rather put my $2 on a keno card than in a bad beat jackpot any day.
July 10th, 2012 at 6:14:11 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearWhat's the bad beat qualifier? Is it relatively low? If so, maybe it hits so often that if it were merely a $1 rake, then it wouldn't grow to high enough totals.
The lowest I've seen is FH beaten by quads.
It seems modest. After all, FH isn't that rare, and quads... everyone had some.
The problem is the added "both hole cards must be used by each hand" rule.
FH beaten by quads can happen a few ways:
AAABx+Bx,Ax
AAAxx+BB,Ax
AABBx+Ax,BB
AAABB+xx,Ax
AABxx+AA,BB
It's easy to figure out that the first three ways are by far the most common. I could get the exact maths, but it's enough to understand that the more "x"-s (standing for any card), the easier, and that any confrontation between two pocket pairs is a lot more likely to end preflop than Ax vs Bx. But only the last way of getting FH v Q is eligible for BBJ.
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July 10th, 2012 at 6:18:09 PM
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Wizard of odds has a chart but it's like you know decimals. I want to know how many hands before quads are beat and both cards play.
Then I know not in my lifetime.
Then I know not in my lifetime.
July 10th, 2012 at 6:48:26 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffWizard of odds has a chart but it's like you know decimals. I want to know how many hands before quads are beat and both cards play.
Right, but it's somewhat more complex because you need simultaneous odds, the board is shared.
But it's not just both cards. It's all four.
And even then, if it's J9AAA+88 vs AK, or KKKT8+TT vs KQ, despite both hole cards playing, your situation will be declared ineligible. Sod off berk.
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July 10th, 2012 at 7:34:37 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffWizard of odds has a chart but it's like you know decimals. I want to know how many hands before quads are beat and both cards play.
Then I know not in my lifetime.
"^-1." It's not hard, poker wiz.
So for aces full, about 22,000 hands (6,000 if the kicker can be in the hole and the full house be made with board aces); any quads, about 92,000 (62 if the kicker can be in the hole). For the rules I used to play, before I went somewhere with a looser progressive, 200,000 hands. When it hits, though, unlike Keno, the players get every red cent put in, so if you theoretically could play a couple million hands, it wouldn't matter at all. So it's a gamble in terms of variance, but the mean is beaten by only a very few bets - but for a proud maniac who goes around bashing tight play, high variance is a hell of a thing to complain about.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
July 10th, 2012 at 7:39:29 PM
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I would gladly give a signed declaration if only the casinos would let me out of the Bad Beat Jackpot. If I win the pot, just give me that $2 instead of dropping into that slot. Only the players at that table get the money. If I bet $2 over and over on keno or slots or whatever, I get to keep my winnings.
July 10th, 2012 at 7:53:58 PM
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If I were so inclined to play Keno to begin with, I would certainly rather put $2.00 on eight numbers at $0.25 a pop into a Keno Machine rather than put my $2.00 into the Bad Beat Jackpot. I feel this way because if I am to play Keno, VP, Slots, Craps or Roulette (and also Let It Ride and Blackjack, for the most part) I am hoping that Lady Variance smiles warmly upon me and I have a decent run. If I am going to sit down and play poker, a demonstration of skill, wit (and especially) patience, then I don't want to shell out $2.00 on something having only to do with luck (right place, right time) because that is not why I am at the poker table!
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July 10th, 2012 at 8:28:12 PM
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Plus is removed money from the fish I am hoping to clean !
July 10th, 2012 at 8:30:33 PM
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Perhaps BJ players would like a mandatory side bet on an 9 card seventeen in a double deck game ??
July 10th, 2012 at 8:41:35 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffPerhaps BJ players would like a mandatory side bet on an 9 card seventeen in a double deck game ??
We'll set that at a 5% SB Rake for every win. 10% on a Natural.
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July 10th, 2012 at 8:43:53 PM
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SHH Paigowdan might ask his boss to implement such a plan. You know, as protection against them nasty cheaters ( counters ) .
July 10th, 2012 at 8:44:51 PM
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almost hit a badbeat at the orleans the other day. had QQ vs Jc8c on a Q9c7 Tc 7c board. so i get badbeat but no reward. Qc wouldve been it.
July 12th, 2012 at 2:26:45 AM
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Admittedly, I've never played anywhere with a $2 bad beat, and I eventually left the $1 bad beat behind, but calling a side bet with no edge at all the "worst bet in the casino" is, frankly, absurd. And wild as the streaks can be, just like a table game, "active" cash play will ultimately screw you even without a rake's jaws to dance into. Although I will say that low-stakes rakes are enough of a killer that once the table hits six hands, or five no-limit, unless it looks like someone will be back within a hand or two, I'll promptly make it one fewer (although even leaving aside the money, short-handed cash games aren't much fun in any circumstance).
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
July 12th, 2012 at 5:53:00 AM
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Quote: 24BingoAdmittedly, I've never played anywhere with a $2 bad beat...
Argosy KC used to have a poker room, and they would get a regular game of Omaha Hi-Lo that I liked, until I realized the raked $2 for the BB Jackpot. The argument was that the player's wanted it, but all the ones I talked to said they hated it, especially since the qualifiers to win the entire amount was set ridiculously high.
Most of those players transferred to Ameristar and now Argosy's poker room is closed. I'm not sure how Hollywood's room is doing, but I'm sure it's screwy too...
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July 12th, 2012 at 6:04:22 AM
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I would bet, and give odds, that management never really surveyed the players.Quote: TiltpoulThe argument was that the player's wanted it, but all the ones I talked to said they hated it....
I had a similar experience at Taj Mahal. I was talking at the table about the food service. Everyone hated that the snack bar closed and that there was no longer a food waitress. Whe I asked a floor person about it, her response was that the players didn't object.
What about the Bad Beat money? Did they award it before closing the poker room?Quote: TiltpoulMost of those players transferred to Ameristar and now Argosy's poker room is closed....
A few years ago, I learned that the poker room at the AC Hilton (which was really just 4 tables at the end of the craps pit, and hardly ever had even two tables running) was kept alive because although they were no longer taking the BB rake, they had BB money which needed to be returned to the players via a qualifying Bad Beat.
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July 12th, 2012 at 6:05:40 AM
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Ameristar KC has had a $2 BB Jackpot drop on hold 'em for at least a couple of years. They don't have an Omaha BB Jackpot.
July 12th, 2012 at 8:54:01 AM
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Quote: 24Bingoshort-handed cash games aren't much fun in any circumstance
wholeheartedly disagree with this. shorthanded cash games are the most fun and can be the most profitable. its probably just a lack of experience on your part and if you keep leaving the table when the game gets short you will never gain the experience. and the rake can drop to $1 and $1 when the game gets short.
May 1st, 2016 at 2:56:14 AM
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I was a poker dealer for almost 20 years.When they started taking money out of the tournament entry fees.It never has just gone to the dealers.It's chopped between the entire tournament staff.When i worked the World Series when it was still at the Horseshoe even the porters got a percentage of that money.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:10:28 AM
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I tip $1 per pot, but usually don't tip if we don't see a flop. The stakes don't impact my tip, but I mostly play the lowest stakes available. The biggest game I ever played is $20/40 limit holdem and I tipped the same way there.
May 2nd, 2016 at 2:17:31 AM
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Do you know Buck, Gilbert and Carol?Quote: mgvegas87I was a poker dealer for almost 20 years.When they started taking money out of the tournament entry fees.It never has just gone to the dealers.It's chopped between the entire tournament staff.When i worked the World Series when it was still at the Horseshoe even the porters got a percentage of that money.
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