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September 9th, 2022 at 4:36:56 AM permalink

Wordle 447 3/6

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POINT
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THEME

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September 9th, 2022 at 5:00:27 AM permalink

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Booooo. I should have totally gotten it on the second quest

Wordle 446 4/6

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yes you are total class Anne 😉 just to many choices for that last letter. You'll get em tomorrow

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September 9th, 2022 at 7:00:07 AM permalink

Wordle 447 5/6

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STARE = XYXXG
FLUTE = XXXYG
THINE = GGXXG
THYME = GGXGG
THEME = GGGGG

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 9th, 2022 at 5:48:08 PM permalink

3 Friday September 9

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September 9th, 2022 at 5:51:03 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
Wordle 446 3/6

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STARE = YXGXX
CLASH = GGGGX
CLASS = GGGGG

I had as possibilities for the third turn class and clasp (classy has two s's). Per my randomization strategy I rolled a die and it went my way.

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glad the odds were in your favor this time wizard

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September 9th, 2022 at 7:23:08 PM permalink

Damn! I guessed it for my second guess but doubted myself. Should�ve gone with my first choice! 😭

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September 10th, 2022 at 12:47:04 AM permalink

Wordle 448 5/6

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STARE = XYXXX
POINT = XGXXY
TOUCH = YGXXX
BOOTY = XGXGG
LOFTY = GGGGG

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 10th, 2022 at 9:23:39 AM permalink

Wordle 448 4/6

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LOFTY

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September 10th, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM permalink

Wordle #448 September 10, 2022: 5/6

STARE / BYBBB
DOING / BGBBB
MULCH / BBYBB
LOTTO / GGBGB
LOFTY / Correct

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September 10th, 2022 at 6:26:24 PM permalink

Whew 4 tonight September 10

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September 11th, 2022 at 3:30:52 AM permalink

Wordle #449 September 11, 2022: 5/6

STARE / BYYBB
DOING / BBYBB
MULCH / BBBBB
BATIK / YYYGB
TIBIA / Correct

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September 11th, 2022 at 4:45:44 AM permalink

Wordle 449 4/6

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TIBIA

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September 11th, 2022 at 5:50:02 AM permalink

Wordle 449 4/6

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STARE
PAINT
VITAL
TIBIA

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 11th, 2022 at 12:28:18 PM permalink

As you may know, I did a lot of analysis to find the best starting word. My method allows two points for a positional match and one for an out-of-position match. Doing that, I find "stare" has the highest average points against words in the Wordle list.

That said, I got to wondering about the second turn.

For now, here are what I find to be the ten best second words for all scores of the first turn of zero or one match. The Wizard pick column shows my suggestion, based on the rank and obscurity of the word. I don't like to play words that are arcane "dictionary words," as Nareed might say, nor slang words. That is why I didn't pick CRONY for a yellow for the fourth letter. However, that the Wordle was recently HUNKY, gives me pause about avoiding slang.

Score	Wiz Pick	Top 10
XXXXX	doily	bliny,doily,piony,noily,fonly,phony,poncy,blimy,whiny,conky
XXXXY	money	coney,boney,coley,cluey,poney,bluey,poley,foley,covey,money
XXXYX	pricy	crony,briny,pricy,corny,roily,drily,drony,porny,primy,curny
XXYXX	daily	gaily,daily,haily,gaucy,fancy,badly,manly,candy,dancy,copay
XYXXX	point	point,clint,pouty,count,doilt,ponty,gouty,biont,built,built
YXXXX	noisy	bousy,noisy,mousy,copsy,lousy,donsy,mopsy,coins,cuish,bosky
XXXXG	clone	cline,clone,clone,moile,chine,boule,chile,voile,bonie,poule
XXXGX	glory	flory,glory,loury,cowry,dowry,chirl,courd,lowry,bourn,bourd
XXGXX	foamy	coaly,coady,bialy,foamy,blady,loamy,hoagy,flamy,flaky,glady
XGXXX	itchy	itchy
GXXXX	shiny	soily,shiny,sonly,shily,slimy,spiny,slopy,soupy,spicy,showy

As for only one green for the T in stare, I found the only possible word in the list to generate that score is ITCHY. Can you think of another?

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 11th, 2022 at 12:44:15 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard

As for only one green for the T in stare, I found the only possible word in the list to generate that score is ITCHY. Can you think of another?
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I just scanned the Wordle possible answer words and did not see another word that would work other than itchy.

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September 11th, 2022 at 4:55:38 PM permalink

3 tonight patriot day September 11

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September 11th, 2022 at 10:01:19 PM permalink

Wordle 449 4/6

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September 12th, 2022 at 3:13:53 AM permalink

Wordle #450 September 12, 2022: 5/6

STARE / BBBBG
OUNCE / YBBBG
MOVIE / BGBBG
LODGE / BGBBG
BOOZE / Correct

Well, BOOZE joins HUNKY in the "I wonder if this word has every appeared in the New York Times" list.

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September 12th, 2022 at 4:26:33 AM permalink

Wordle 450 5/6

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BOOZE

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September 12th, 2022 at 6:29:06 AM permalink

Wordle 450 5/6

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STARE
DOILY -- This one does not comply with my recent list of "one right" guesses, which suggested CLONE. However, I was willing to give up the chance of a 2 to get out an extra letter. What do you do in "one green" situations on the second turn?
VOUGE -- I didn't like using a V, nor a G, for that matter, but couldn't think of anything better that might be right. In retrospect, I probably should have taken another probing turn. Never mind that vogue is a foreign word.
CHIMP -- I went back to a probing word on this turn. I did consider BOOZE, but thought it was not a NYT kind of word. Also, hated to play a Z unless I was near certain it was right. I also considered NONCE, which comes up a lot in technical discussion of cryptography, but didn't think the general public would be familiar with it.
BOOZE -- Although I really didn't like the word, I couldn't think of anything else.

I need a drink after that one.

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 12th, 2022 at 5:55:30 PM permalink

Lucky 3 tonight September 12

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September 13th, 2022 at 1:24:58 AM permalink

Wordle #451 September 13, 2022: 4/6

STARE / BBYBB
DOING / BBBBB
MULCH / BBYBY
ALPHA / Correct

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September 13th, 2022 at 5:02:25 AM permalink

Wordle 451 4/6

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MULCH
YEARS
APLHA

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September 13th, 2022 at 7:23:01 AM permalink

Wordle 451 5/6

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STARE
DAILY
ALONG
ALBUM
ALPHA

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 13th, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM permalink

So close on my third try

Wordle 451 4/6

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September 13th, 2022 at 9:24:17 PM permalink

3 tonight September 13

radio...shape...alpha

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September 13th, 2022 at 11:13:56 PM permalink

Wordle #452 September 14, 2022: 4/6

STARE / BYBBG
THINE / GGBBG
THEME / GGBGG
THYME / Correct

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September 14th, 2022 at 4:41:42 AM permalink

Very interesting that today�s word is just one letter off from a word they used less than a week ago.

Wordle 452 4/6

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THYME

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September 14th, 2022 at 5:00:52 AM permalink

Wordle 452 5/6

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STARE
FLUTE
TWINE
THEME
THYME

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 14th, 2022 at 5:27:20 AM permalink

Wordle 452 6/6

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I could not get a letter in the right place to save myself.

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September 14th, 2022 at 3:44:46 PM permalink

A new MIT paper says the best starting word is SALET (and the 2nd-5th best are REAST, TRACE, CRATE, and SLATE). I skimmed the paper (and didn't understand most of it), and it seems their method is pretty different from the Wizard's, though I wouldn't say better or worse, I think it comes down to the definition of "best".

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September 14th, 2022 at 5:17:24 PM permalink

2 tonight September 14

radio...thyme. Ironically I used this word last Friday when I got nothing on my first guess

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September 14th, 2022 at 7:25:40 PM permalink

Quote: MichaelBluejay
A new MIT paper says the best starting word is SALET (and the 2nd-5th best are REAST, TRACE, CRATE, and SLATE). I skimmed the paper (and didn't understand most of it), and it seems their method is pretty different from the Wizard's, though I wouldn't say better or worse, I think it comes down to the definition of "best".
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But from a short 150 days of playing, I'm seeing very few words with "S" in them. So it might be more valuable to evaluate without an "S" to see what the best word is.

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September 14th, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM permalink

Wordle 452 4/6

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September 14th, 2022 at 10:05:01 PM permalink

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But from a short 150 days of playing, I'm seeing very few words with "S" in them. So it might be more valuable to evaluate without an "S" to see what the best word is.

The Wizard already did the heavy lifting, analyzing the frequency of each letter for each position. More words start with "S" than any other, by quite a lot.

I do see that the Wizard didn't analyze the quality of SALET as a starting word, possibly because, like me, he didn't realize it was a real word.

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September 15th, 2022 at 4:15:59 AM permalink

Wordle 453 4/6

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ROUST
MOULT
DOUBT

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September 15th, 2022 at 5:04:18 AM permalink

Wordle #453 September 15, 2022: 3/6

STARE / BYBBB
DOING / GGBBB
DOUBT / Correct

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September 15th, 2022 at 5:44:08 AM permalink

Quote: MichaelBluejay
Quote: rsactuary
But from a short 150 days of playing, I'm seeing very few words with "S" in them. So it might be more valuable to evaluate without an "S" to see what the best word is.
The Wizard already did the heavy lifting, analyzing the frequency of each letter for each position. More words start with "S" than any other, by quite a lot.

I do see that the Wizard didn't analyze the quality of SALET as a starting word, possibly because, like me, he didn't realize it was a real word.
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The Wizard work is super cool and helpful. But Wordle is a �solved� game, and there is a �perfect� way to play, defined as minimizing the expected number of turns to solve each puzzle. That perfect way to play has Salet as the first word, and then of course there is a perfect second word based on the yellow, green and black we get. For hard mode the first word in �perfect� play is Dealt.

Note that Salet is a valid guess in Wordle but it is not one of the possible solutions.

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Wordle 453 4/6

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stare
point
moult
doubt

As to "salet," I don't recall if it was in my list of valid words or if I just didn't like it, thinking it didn't have a good chance at a hole in one.

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September 15th, 2022 at 12:44:37 PM permalink

I'm curious if a solution word has ever been repeated. If it they don't do repeats, it seems that the ideal starting word would change over time, based on previous solutions.

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September 15th, 2022 at 3:59:02 PM permalink

3 tonight September 15

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September 15th, 2022 at 6:38:21 PM permalink

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I'm curious if a solution word has ever been repeated. If it they don't do repeats, it seems that the ideal starting word would change over time, based on previous solutions.
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I don�t think they�ve repeated yet.

My starting word POINT was the solution before but I still use it.

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September 15th, 2022 at 6:59:04 PM permalink

Pass the dunce cap. Didn't get it in six on 9/16.

stare = xxyyy
relay = yyxyx
caper = xgygg
pager = ggxgg (I would have laid good odds this one would have been it)
paver = ggxgg (I really would have laid money this would be right, as I went through the alphabet and didn't find any other possibilities)
pawer = ggxgg (At this point I was going through the alphabet on the keyboard of the remaining letters and trying everything. I think I tried the W almost last. )

So, the answer is parer. Dictionary.com does not recognize this as a word. Normally Dictionary.com does recognize it when a verb it turned into a noun with a r or er, like rider or baker.

Grrrrr. Is it just me or was this one just evil? Let me go, I have some apples to pare.

Last edited by: Wizard on Sep 16, 2022

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I hated today�s. Today�s drove me crazy.

Wordle 453 4/6

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September 16th, 2022 at 2:55:16 AM permalink

Wordle #454 September 16, 2022: fail

STARE / BBYYY
DREAM / BYYYB
RAVEN / YGBGB
WAGER / BGBGG
LAYER/ BGBGG
BAKER/ BGBGG

I agree with the Wiz... I never thought of PARER as a word.

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September 16th, 2022 at 4:12:32 AM permalink

Wordle 454 4/6

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POINT
PARSE
PARED
PARER

Really thought I was going to get it in three� 🤨

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September 16th, 2022 at 3:14:50 PM permalink

Wordle 455 3/6

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STARE = XYXXG
LIMBO = XXXXX
CHUTE = GGGGG

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September 16th, 2022 at 5:17:13 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
Pass the dunce cap. Didn't get it in six on 9/16.

stare = xxyyy
relay = yyxyx
caper = xgygg
pager = ggxgg (I would have laid good odds this one would have been it)
paver = ggxgg (I really would have laid money this would be right, as I went through the alphabet and didn't find any other possibilities)
pawer = ggxgg (At this point I was going through the alphabet on the keyboard of the remaining letters and trying everything. I think I tried the W almost last. )

So, the answer is parer. Dictionary.com does not recognize this as a word. Normally Dictionary.com does recognize it when a verb it turned into a noun with a r or er, like rider or baker.

Grrrrr. Is it just me or was this one just evil? Let me go, I have some apples to pare.

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I got that one in five. I didn't even know that was a word. Lucky guess on #5 for me.

At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.

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September 16th, 2022 at 5:59:42 PM permalink

Arrrgghh 5 tonight September 16

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