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July 13th, 2019 at 2:28:45 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

That happened in a park at a company function.




Correct. The shooter was not happy with the casino, and took it out on the personnel at a company picnic.

I have seen the same type of anger from ZK about some specific casinos, and I am worried that the same thing may happen. It would be 1000 times worse if we had warning and we did not act on that warning.
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July 16th, 2019 at 10:59:24 AM permalink
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But the shame here is that those who operate the board where the threat was posted have not notified authorities and let us know they did such. The venues he threatened to shoot up, along with naming the specific weapon he would use , are in a city that is central to this forum , and that we all have family and friends that frequent.

Instead we get some link to a lame explanation on another message board. “Hey everyone , take a look at this if you’re concerned.” LOL

Pathetic.



We mods can take constructive criticism, but this was went well past the insult line.

Sentence -- time served (three days). I'll take any heat for this one.
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July 16th, 2019 at 11:31:55 AM permalink
I have some past basis for insight into the FBI and certain "terrorist security" parts of the government.

They get swamped with this kind of stuff; and are very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. People who are too young, too drunk, showing off, experimenting with the internet, using drugs, got dumped by a lover, etc., say crazy things on the internet. If they do it on You Tube, it sometimes makes the media, but the amount of wild stuff that gets typed on social media is enormous. It is a river, a flood, an ocean.

(Historical example: Robert Oppenheimer talked openly about planning to poison one of his professors in college -and went on to be the scientific leader of the Manhattan Project with a top security clearance. People around him used their judgment.)

Law enforcement and the FBI are so overloaded -mostly with real threats and real bad guys. I believe they will spend zero time on this. I mean, zero point zero nanoseconds on it. I could tell you stories to convince you of this point, but I'm not going to work that hard.

I honestly believe the right response is for friends and associates to intervene with ZK and counsel him. That is a constructive approach, a proportional response and most likely to be an effective countermeasure. If people who intervene with ZK become alarmed by their interactions with him then there may be a basis for elevating it to societal systems. If you talked privately to an FBI agent, I believe that is what the FBI agent would advise you to do. Its like when you discover that a family member is using illegal drugs - you don't call the police and report a crime, rather you counsel and try to get him help and off of the drugs. And the police appreciate that you handled it that way.
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July 16th, 2019 at 11:55:07 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm88



I honestly believe the right response is for friends and associates to intervene with ZK and counsel him.




Trouble is, I would say almost uniformly the message by police and FBI has been, see something, say something.

Not me or friends to try to evaluate. Have not heard that.
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July 16th, 2019 at 12:14:37 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I have some past basis for insight into the FBI and certain "terrorist security" parts of the government.

They get swamped with this kind of stuff; and are very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. People who are too young, too drunk, showing off, experimenting with the internet, using drugs, got dumped by a lover, etc., say crazy things on the internet. If they do it on You Tube, it sometimes makes the media, but the amount of wild stuff that gets typed on social media is enormous. It is a river, a flood, an ocean.

(Historical example: Robert Oppenheimer talked openly about planning to poison one of his professors in college -and went on to be the scientific leader of the Manhattan Project with a top security clearance. People around him used their judgment.)

Law enforcement and the FBI are so overloaded -mostly with real threats and real bad guys. I believe they will spend zero time on this. I mean, zero point zero nanoseconds on it. I could tell you stories to convince you of this point, but I'm not going to work that hard.

I honestly believe the right response is for friends and associates to intervene with ZK and counsel him. That is a constructive approach, a proportional response and most likely to be an effective countermeasure. If people who intervene with ZK become alarmed by their interactions with him then there may be a basis for elevating it to societal systems. If you talked privately to an FBI agent, I believe that is what the FBI agent would advise you to do. Its like when you discover that a family member is using illegal drugs - you don't call the police and report a crime, rather you counsel and try to get him help and off of the drugs. And the police appreciate that you handled it that way.



Does the FBI have its guidelines published somewhere as to which mass shooting threats posted on the internet should be shrugged off vs which should be reported ?
It’s seems like a very important decision to simply be decided by people who know the person. Or by people who happen to be members of the same forum.
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July 17th, 2019 at 6:27:56 AM permalink
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Does the FBI have its guidelines published somewhere as to which mass shooting threats posted on the internet should be shrugged off vs which should be reported ?
It’s seems like a very important decision to simply be decided by people who know the person. Or by people who happen to be members of the same forum.


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Michael9900, if you are truly alarmed and feel threatened then pick up the damn phone and fulfill your obligations as a citizen. Call the FBI or 911 and report it, and stop pointing fingers and asking others to do do it. Don't use the excuse that you don't know ZK's real name, because law enforcement can approach the forum and get his real name.

You and others on this thread are treating this like a game, trying to bait the administrators into doing something that you personally should be doing. They have no more responsibility to report an alarming threat (If that is what you view this as being) then you do.

Personally, I am not alarmed by what ZK said and I do not consider it to be a threat. The administrators may or may not be alarmed by what ZK said. If you, Michael9900 are alarmed and feel threatened, then stop posting and arguing and exclaiming; Act like an adult and report it to law enforcement.

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If you insist on making everything black and white, then you will never see the shades of gray.

There is a 100% difference between public statements and private statements. I mentioned a hypothetical private conversation with an FBI agent. You responded by asking me for a publicly posted website.

If an individual makes a statement that alarms you, you report it - your call will be logged and their name will go into a database and be electronically checked against known members of known terrorist organizations -which, IMO, does not make the decision on reporting ZK a "very important decision" because nothing will happen except some electrons will move around. If the person making the statement is known to you and your colleagues, I suggest you intervene and get them into counseling, where a professional can make decisions and manage the case.
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I think this thread should be closed. This is a sensitive discussion about a real person, and imo, some participants on this thread are "making mischief." The administrators should make a decision and not publicly discuss it. Every other person can also make their own personal decisions and do whatever they think they should.
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July 17th, 2019 at 6:32:01 AM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

Correct. The shooter was not happy with the casino, and took it out on the personnel at a company picnic.

I have seen the same type of anger from ZK about some specific casinos, and I am worried that the same thing may happen. It would be 1000 times worse if we had warning and we did not act on that warning.



FCBLComish, if you are worried and sincerely feel this way, then pick up the phone and report it. Stop asking others to do it. See my post above.
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July 17th, 2019 at 7:46:13 AM permalink
À message to our American friends.

Here in Europe, this kind of discussion is totally irrelevant.
ZenKing’s post would be taken with a shrug. Everyone would know it is just steaming off and the risk is nil.

Why?
Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
You shout out your fears here, because USA expériences regular and frequent dramas of gun owners shooting up people for whatever bad reason they have.
In Canada, in Europe, in Asia, etc. when it ever happens it is once in a decade and creates shock at « How is it possible that this guy owned a gun? »

So:
The answer to your problem is not « shouls we signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « should we ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».
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July 17th, 2019 at 8:01:14 AM permalink
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So:
The answer to your problem is not « signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».



Oh, boy, this thread is goin' places....
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July 17th, 2019 at 8:05:43 AM permalink
Me waiting for Face’s response:

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