Thoughts on early voting.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuit the name calling, please; this and your post above it. I'm giving the politics threads a little latitude for the moment so I'm stopping with a warning. For now. Thanks.
That's cool, Babs; when this guy calls me a moron, I consider it a compliment. Even when he spells it incorrectly.
Quote: billryanSince when is calling some a maroon an insult?
In the same way that calling you a jork or an odiot would be.
Rant on.
Quote: billryanFigures that you have no clue what maroon reference cues.
Rant on.
From The Urban Dictionary :
maroon
1. A color between red and brown
2. A stupid person; a fool
1. She's wearing maroon pants
2. "What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
Obviously you meant definition 2 both times your said it. Not my first turnip truck on slang. If you have some other cultural reference, it's obscure compared to this, and the common perception of any third party is going to be personal insult. Take a few days and think about it; I'm reversing my decision.
Quote: beachbumbabsFrom The Urban Dictionary :
maroon
1. A color between red and brown
2. A stupid person; a fool
1. She's wearing maroon pants
2. "What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
Obviously you meant definition 2 both times your said it. Not my first turnip truck on slang. If you have some other cultural reference, it's obscure compared to this, and the common perception of any third party is going to be personal insult. Take a few days and think about it; I'm reversing my decision.
There isn't much for him to think about; some poster comes here, writes negative and insulting crap about people all the time (with just a hint of some kind of moral superiority and rants about eliminating the opposition in Hitler-esque fashion) probably will push people to the edge of the insult line. One got a few warnings up front for his behavior; the other uses the same word twice and gets suspended. I am sure that he is tremendously hurt by that...
Quote: RonCThere isn't much for him to think about; some poster comes here, writes negative and insulting crap about people all the time (with just a hint of some kind of moral superiority and rants about eliminating the opposition in Hitler-esque fashion) probably will push people to the edge of the insult line. One got a few warnings up front for his behavior; the other uses the same word twice and gets suspended. I am sure that he is tremendously hurt by that...
Sorry you feel I'm being unfair. I wasn't going to suspend billryan, either, but instead of recognizing he was hitting foul balls he wanted to argue that he wasn't making personal insults when he obviously was.
Everybody is tense and polarized over this election, and I'm trying to let people air it out so we're not just a mass of suspensions, but the faux innocence and derision over being called on his insults gave me little choice. Everyone else has been gracious about their warnings and lightened up; he fought it. So he got the strict interpretation of the rules.
Quote: terapinedNone of my clients know if they will be in the country election day
Then they can request an absentee ballot like they have been able to do for decades. No need to risk security of an election because people are too lazy to do that. But you should never be allowed to vote absentee the first time you vote, and never more than three years in a row,
Secure elections are the most important thing. No big deal if a person does not get to vote because the refuse to follow the rules.
People who really want to vote will put in the effort.
I don't want people who can somehow find time to go to the store but not to vote accommodated with special help because of their laziness.
Quote: AZDuffmanThen they can request an absentee ballot like they have been able to do for decades. No need to risk security of an election because people are too lazy to do that. But you should never be allowed to vote absentee the first time you vote, and never more than three years in a row,
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They can do that but why not accommodate them further
I am not talking a couple of people, its an entire huge company of thousands
Opening the election to a 2 week window prevents fraud because there is time to investigate any suspicious votes
Easy voting by mail has a paper trail that prevents fraud
I arrange business travel for an entire company of engineers and executives
Not a single engineer or executive can predict that they will be in town on election day
This is not the horse and buggy era
This is the modern jet age business world where people cannot predict if they will be home on election day
Quote: beachbumbabsSorry you feel I'm being unfair. I wasn't going to suspend billryan, either, but instead of recognizing he was hitting foul balls he wanted to argue that he wasn't making personal insults when he obviously was.
Everybody is tense and polarized over this election, and I'm trying to let people air it out so we're not just a mass of suspensions, but the faux innocence and derision over being called on his insults gave me little choice. Everyone else has been gracious about their warnings and lightened up; he fought it. So he got the strict interpretation of the rules.
No, I don't think you were "unfair" at at all. You found a personal insult, warned about it, it was mentioned again and you suspended someone.
My point is that a poster such as the one "insulted" here will drive people to the insult line and possible over with some of his Hitler-esque quotes about eliminating people who oppose his positions, his open support of executions by mutilation, his broad generalizations about a large portion of our population, and various other rantings mentioned in his posts.
You said that the suspended one could think about things for a bit...really, there isn't much to think about. Sometimes it is just fine to lob the insult and risk the suspension. How much real impact does your suspending him have on anything? He can't come play here for a bit. I am sure he is thinking deeply about it!
Hurricane Mathew
Can you imagine something like this hitting Florida on election day
Quote: terapinedAnother great reason to have early voting
Hurricane Mathew
Can you imagine something like this hitting Florida on election day
That just happened in Colombia. They were having perhaps the most important vote in their countries history last week. The ruling party, whose supporters are mainly on the eastern coast , proposed a peace agreement with rebels who have been fighting for twenty plus years. The day of the election, a hurricane hit the coast and voting in some regions was a third of what was expected . Voting went as expected in the Western provinces and the measure was defeated by the slimmest of margins.
I'm not sure why they didn't postpone the election.
Quote: AZDuffmanThen just get more polling places and machines. AZ has had lots of growth so it will need to do this, and there will be growing pains.
It had NOTHING to do with growth. The local officials purposely reduced the number of polling locations.
For someone complaining people should have to take a citizenship test to vote, you're alarmingly uninformed.
Quote: BrewfangrbIt had NOTHING to do with growth. The local officials purposely reduced the number of polling locations.
For someone complaining people should have to take a citizenship test to vote, you're alarmingly uninformed.
Yeah, the number of polling places in Maricopa county was REDUCED from a little over 200 to less than 70. Because the administrators (who happened to be Republicans) wanted to "save costs". AND the population is increasing. AND, now they'll waste way more taxpayer money defending the lawsuits than they would have spent just maintaining the previous number of polling places (which already had an average wait time of more than 90 minutes in the 2012 election).
Quote: AZDuffmanBut you should never be allowed to vote absentee the first time you vote, and never more than three years in a row,
So my son who is a legal NY state resident but is in school in Florida when he turns 18 should not be allowed to vote absentee in his first election? And if he is away for 4 consecutive years (that's how long college is) he shouldn't be allowed to vote in the 4th election year? I don't think you gave this one much thought.....
Quote: SOOPOOSo my son who is a legal NY state resident but is in school in Florida when he turns 18 should not be allowed to vote absentee in his first election? And if he is away for 4 consecutive years (that's how long college is) he shouldn't be allowed to vote in the 4th election year? I don't think you gave this one much thought.....
Nope. No thought at all. As if most 18 year olds weren't absent from their primary residences in November. Fails for college students, fails for the military...
As he spends more time there, why shouldn't be vote there?
I attended a school in a small town in upstate NY. Even the students who lived off campus were denied the right to register and vote locally.
Quote: rdw4potusNope. No thought at all. As if most 18 year olds weren't absent from their primary residences in November. Fails for college students, fails for the military...
Fails for an entire company of employees
I arrange business travel for a large company composed of engineers and executives
Just about every employee cannot predict if they will be home election day
They are all road warriors.
Tons of jobs in the USA are dependent on their international business trips to see customers and suppliers
31 in a billion.
I guess we just need to change the rules for that bowl of Skittles.
I know, if a bunch of poor black or Hispanic people show up at the polls, they must be cheating. That's the only way the Dems could have won Pennsylvania or Ohio.
I get a little tired when Republican governors attempt to curb ways to vote by enacting unconstitutional voter-registration laws, shorten up advance-polling and close voting sites in left-leaning districts.
Yes, poor people and people of color disproportionally vote Democrat. Now why is that? When you stand in line for hours trying to cast a vote while your friends in the burbs can get in and out in under an hour, you start to wonder if the system is working against you. They're not voting three times - they have a hard enough time trying to vote once.
I really don't understand how a nation as advanced as the USA can't get it right.
We should give Donald Trump (and the party that made the catastrophic mistake of allowing him to be nominated) every second of extra time to destroy their own campaigns.
If the GOP fails to toss Trump from the sleigh this weekend I predict a Democratic White House, Senate and House come January; a liberal Supreme Court soon thereafter.
Literally home is where the heart is. All our representatives and senators couldn't be reelected otherwise usually being in D.C.Quote: billryanA better question would he should be have to vote absentee or should he be allowed to register and vote in Florida?
As he spends more time there, why shouldn't be vote there?
I attended a school in a small town in upstate NY. Even the students who lived off campus were denied the right to register and vote locally.
We may be evolving to a practice of fewer and fewer voting on election day
We may get to the point that in early voting states, those that wait till election day to vote are the same people doing their taxes on April 15 :-)
Quote: terapinedthose that wait till election day to vote are the same people doing their taxes on April 15 :-)
Good one. Any others:
Waiting until it's legalized to get high.
Waiting until your wedding day to get laid.
Quote: terapined1/2 of Florida voters voted early :-)
We may be evolving to a practice of fewer and fewer voting on election day
We may get to the point that in early voting states, those that wait till election day to vote are the same people doing their taxes on April 15 :-)
I said this in the 2016 Election thread and I'll say it again here:
In the next four years, Republicans will launch an all out assault on early voting.
Democrats do better when more people vote. Republicans know this, and will try to do anything to stop it.
And of course, they will use nonexistent "voter fraud" as their excuse for eliminating early voting. They're a one trick pony.
I don't think any information should be allowed until the polls close.
John Rolston has done a series of articles about how based on early voting, Trump can't win Nevada and without it he can't win the Presidency. Articles like this can make people feel there vote isn't needed.
Quote: billryanI don't like that they release information on who has voted early. In Nevada, all we hear is how Democrats and Hispanics have turned out in record numbers.
I don't think any information should be allowed until the polls close.
John Rolston has done a series of articles about how based on early voting, Trump can't win Nevada and without it he can't win the Presidency. Articles like this can make people feel there vote isn't needed.
This.
Oregon has been 100% vote by mail for almost 20 years, and partially for almost 30. You're automatically registered at the DMV when you get your drivers' license. And since 2000, with over 20M ballots cast, there have been roughly 13 cases of "voter fraud." Most of those were honest mistakes like signing your spouse's ballot envelope rather than actual malicious fraud. Because yes, they check signatures. One critical benefit of vote-by-mail is the ability for election officials to catch signature mismatches prior to election day -- this happened to a friend last week. She got called into the county office to re-verify that the signature on her ballot was actually hers.Quote: ams288I said this in the 2016 Election thread and I'll say it again here:
In the next four years, Republicans will launch an all out assault on early voting.
Democrats do better when more people vote. Republicans know this, and will try to do anything to stop it.
And of course, they will use nonexistent "voter fraud" as their excuse for eliminating early voting. They're a one trick pony.
Don't let innumerate conspiracy theorists dictate policy. Voter fraud is not a statistically-significant problem and, without double-checking, I believe has never come close to swinging an election in the US. A three-week voting window with mail-in or drop-off ballots works *better* than a single day standing in line.
http://www.ktvz.com/news/central-oregon/despite-easy-voter-access-voter-fraud-deemed-rare-in-oregon/69175638
Quote: billryanI don't think any information should be allowed until the polls close
How do you suggest we stop it from happening?
Quote: billryanArticles like this can make people feel there vote isn't needed.
The mathematics of dividing 1 by 100 million is what makes me feel like my vote isn't needed.
