2016 Election -- Part II
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Quote: SOOPOOI think you can get 50-1 on Sanders now to win the election. I think there is value at 50-1. .....
I actually got money down at 100-1. I pray I don't win that bet!
Quote: ams288Maybe he really is auditioning to be the next Hitler?
This is as ridiculous of a statement as those that are made about Obama being the Anti-Christ.
I am hoping that you will say it was all in jest...
If not, it is some of your most incendiary writing to date.
There is nothing funny about a US presidential candidate pandering to pro-genocide hate groups. At all. You are perhaps unaware that Trump plucked his chosen anti-Semitic image directly from a neo-Nazi web forum? At what point do you accept that he's just screwing with you, pushing the envelope of unacceptable decorum as far as you'll allow him to take it?Quote: RonCThis is as ridiculous of a statement as those that are made about Obama being the Anti-Christ.
I am hoping that you will say it was all in jest...
https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists#.JwFM3c8OI
You are fond of saying that Hillary and Donald are both bad candidates, but that whitewashes the vast differences in their "badnesses." Even if Hillary were the most corrupt politician on the planet, which she clearly is not, there is a meaningful moral distinction between a corrupt politician and someone who openly embraces religious and ethnic hatred and gladly associates with pro-genocide hate groups. If you can't appreciate that difference, you should stay home in November and let the responsible adults elect a responsible president.
I don't think Trump is actually evil, because I actually think he's running a con game with what is perhaps the largest sociology experiment in human history. But I also think many of his supporters don't realize that, and some of those supporters -- including the ones from whom he sourced his latest anti-Hillary imagery -- actually are evil. Do you really want to throw your lot in with the same violent hate groups that advocate for the wholesale slaughter of non-whites and non-Christians?
Quote: MathExtremistThere is nothing funny about a US presidential candidate pandering to pro-genocide hate groups. At all. You are perhaps unaware that Trump plucked his chosen anti-Semitic image directly from a neo-Nazi web forum? At what point do you accept that he's just screwing with you, pushing the envelope of unacceptable decorum as far as you'll allow him to take it?
https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists#.JwFM3c8OI
You are fond of saying that Hillary and Donald are both bad candidates, but that whitewashes the vast differences in their "badnesses." Even if Hillary were the most corrupt politician on the planet, which she clearly is not, there is a meaningful moral distinction between a corrupt politician and someone who openly embraces religious and ethnic hatred and gladly associates with pro-genocide hate groups. If you can't appreciate that difference, you should stay home in November and let the responsible adults elect a responsible president.
I don't think Trump is actually evil, because I actually think he's running a con game with what is perhaps the largest sociology experiment in human history. But I also think many of his supporters don't realize that, and some of those supporters -- including the ones from whom he sourced his latest anti-Hillary imagery -- actually are evil. Do you really want to throw your lot in with the same violent hate groups that advocate for the wholesale slaughter of non-whites and non-Christians?
Oh Dear Lord...Really? You can call him a lot of things, but "pandering to pro-Genocide groups" is one of the silliest things I have ever heard any candidate accused of... You can't possibly be serious. Hell, I am not even going to try to answer this ridiculous insinuation.
He says stupid things. He does stupid things. Everything may not be vetted properly.
I don't think he is advocating the slaughter of anyone but perhaps Radical Islamic Terrorist, which our current President is also doing...I applaud the more aggressive strike taken after the horror in Orlando--I just want many, many more of them.
Beyond that, I find your comment stupid and offensive.
Pulling an anti-Semitic image of Hillary off a neo-Nazi hate site and publishing it goes far beyond stupid things or improper vetting.Quote: RonCHe says stupid things. He does stupid things. Everything may not be vetted properly.
And I'd expect that you would find my comment offensive because it lays bare your shameful rationalizing of Trump's hate-filled actions. But you're not like most Trump supporters, you're smart enough and thoughtful enough to realize that pandering to hate groups is evil. That's why you feel dirty even thinking about voting for Trump.
Stop rationalizing and stop glossing over Trump's racial and religious hatred. It's not acceptable for a Presidential candidate, and it's not acceptable for you either.
Quote: MathExtremistPulling an anti-Semitic image of Hillary off a neo-Nazi hate site and publishing it goes far beyond stupid things or improper vetting.
And I'd expect that you would find my comment offensive because it lays bare your shameful rationalizing of Trump's hate-filled actions. But you're not like most Trump supporters, you're smart enough and thoughtful enough to realize that pandering to hate groups is evil. That's why you feel dirty even thinking about voting for Trump.
Stop rationalizing and stop glossing over Trump's racial and religious hatred. It's not acceptable for a Presidential candidate, and it's not acceptable for you either.
Why don't we get a more realistic assessment of this whole incident:
"Abe Foxman, the director emeritus of the Anti-Defamation League, a group devoted to combating anti-Semitism and bigotry, called the tweet "insensitive" but said he was reassured by the campaign's decision to delete the tweet within a few hours.
"They realized it was edgy and could be abused. I'm not sure the intentions were there but there was certainly a lack of sensitivity," Foxman said."
"His daughter Ivanka is also an observant Jew -- having converted to Judaism before her marriage to businessman Jared Kushner -- and Trump has three Jewish grandchildren.
And on Thursday, he immediately rebuked a man at a campaign rally who criticized "Zionist Israel."
Trump told the man: "Israel is a very, very important ally of the United States and we are going to protect them 100% -- 100%. It's our true friend over there.""
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/donald-trump-tweet-graphic-star-hillary-clinton/
Of course there are those on both sides who criticize him harshly; they should. That doesn't make him some kind of genocidal white supremacist...
Nor did I say he was. What I said was that Trump is the candidate of the genocidal white supremacists. Is he your candidate for the same reasons? If not, are you willing to overlook the reasons the hate groups like Trump and vote for him anyway?Quote: RonCOf course there are those on both sides who criticize him harshly; they should. That doesn't make him some kind of genocidal white supremacist...
How many more times will you let Trump act like an irresponsible moron before you finally realize he's not good enough to steer this ship and that anyone else in the race -- including Hillary -- would be a better option? Here's how one Bush-era official puts it:
Quote: Kori SchakeI was planning to cast a protest vote in November: write in Mitch Daniels or one of my terrific nephews, and vote Republican down-ballot to support strong Republican voices in Congress and help rebuild the party in the long run. But that approach is only satisfactory if Trump has no chance of winning. I’m genuinely concerned now that Trump could get elected, and that is why I’m voting for Hillary Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/how-brexit-convinced-me-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-214006
I have now decided. I will vote for the Republican nominee in Nov to offset Kori Schake's vote. I have not decided how to direct my wife's vote yet. It's still early...Quote: MathExtremistNor did I say he was. What I said was that Trump is the candidate of the genocidal white supremacists. Is he your candidate for the same reasons? If not, are you willing to overlook the reasons the hate groups like Trump and vote for him anyway?
How many more times will you let Trump act like an irresponsible moron before you finally realize he's not good enough to steer this ship and that anyone else in the race -- including Hillary -- would be a better option? Here's how one Bush-era official puts it:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/how-brexit-convinced-me-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-214006
Quote: MathExtremistNor did I say he was. What I said was that Trump is the candidate of the genocidal white supremacists. Is he your candidate for the same reasons? If not, are you willing to overlook the reasons the hate groups like Trump and vote for him anyway?
How many more times will you let Trump act like an irresponsible moron before you finally realize he's not good enough to steer this ship and that anyone else in the race -- including Hillary -- would be a better option? Here's how one Bush-era official puts it:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/how-brexit-convinced-me-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-214006
I can't vote for Hillary. I don't really think I can vote for Trump.
I won't make a protest vote.
I will vote for Republicans down ballot.
At this point, in Texas, my non-vote will not matter a bit. Neither will any vote in Texas for Hillary.
Quote: MathExtremistThere is nothing funny about a US presidential candidate pandering to pro-genocide hate groups. At all. You are perhaps unaware that Trump plucked his chosen anti-Semitic image directly from a neo-Nazi web forum? At what point do you accept that he's just screwing with you, pushing the envelope of unacceptable decorum as far as you'll allow him to take it?
https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists#.JwFM3c8OI
You are fond of saying that Hillary and Donald are both bad candidates, but that whitewashes the vast differences in their "badnesses." Even if Hillary were the most corrupt politician on the planet, which she clearly is not, there is a meaningful moral distinction between a corrupt politician and someone who openly embraces religious and ethnic hatred and gladly associates with pro-genocide hate groups. If you can't appreciate that difference, you should stay home in November and let the responsible adults elect a responsible president.
This +1000.
I'm done listening to the RonCs of the world who keep saying "both candidates suck."
Maybe they do both suck. But Trump's suckiness is exponentially worse than Hillary's.
One is "crooked" - but at least she's qualified and actually knows stuff.
Donald Trump is a racist, misogynistic, bigoted piece of crap. He knows nothing. He blatantly lies about his main qualification - how much money he is worth and how successful his businesses are.
The fact that so many Repulicans are putting party before country like this is astonishing. They know Trump is the worst candidate they have ever allowed to be their nominee. To see so many of them pretend he would be anything but a disaster for this country is frankly sad.
There are some Republicans who openly oppose Trump. But not enough. Too many are blindly following him off the cliff he is taking them over. In the end, I hope Trump ends up tearing the party apart and destroying it. The Republicans deserve it.
Quote: RonCI can't vote for Hillary. I don't really think I can vote for Trump.
I won't make a protest vote.
I will vote for Republicans down ballot.
At this point, in Texas, my non-vote will not matter a bit. Neither will any vote in Texas for Hillary.
Gosh darn! RonC got it right for his vote in TX. My vote, and wife's vote aren't going to be 'the deciding votes' in Gawgah. Those states are predictable. I threatened to go to NC or VA or FL last presidential cycle to volunteer to help. I may threaten to volunteer again. ( where's the best casinos between VA and FL ;-?
I think it goes further than that. It's not a quantitative difference, it's a qualitative one. Hillary, whether you like her or not, is a successful politician. She's operated on the national and global stage and is respected for it, if not by everyone, than at least by millions. She's also been elected to federal office twice and has had as much immediate experience with the day-to-day office of the President as basically anyone ever has except for actual Presidents.Quote: ams288I'm done listening to the RonCs of the world who keep saying "both candidates suck."
Maybe they do both suck. But Trump's suckiness is exponentially worse than Hillary's.
Trump has done none of those things. He has never run for office, never held office, never served in the military, nothing. There are still millions of people in this country that believe Trump should be the next president, but do any of them actually believe he is even remotely qualified to actually perform the job? Does anyone here think that Donald Trump is even remotely qualified to lead the Federal government, manage your taxes, control the FBI, and deploy the military? If so, I'd like to hear why.
I don't even think Trump himself thinks he's qualified to be President, nor do I think -- at first -- he intended to even run a real campaign. He's probably as surprised as anyone that a real Republican candidate didn't rise to the top and beat him, and maybe that's why he chose to run as a Republican. But now there's nobody serious in his way until the general election.
You don't pull imagery from a neo-Nazi website if you're trying to win. That's the move of someone saying "just look at how much I'm getting away with, you losers! Go ahead and try to stop me!"
He already knows more about ISIS than our generals, simply by watching the Saturday Morning shows. Wait until he gets briefed by live people, and not decades old animated characters.
And here's the statement from the current director of the ADL:Quote: RonCWhy don't we get a more realistic assessment of this whole incident:
"Abe Foxman, the director emeritus of the Anti-Defamation League, a group devoted to combating anti-Semitism and bigotry, called the tweet "insensitive" but said he was reassured by the campaign's decision to delete the tweet within a few hours.
"They realized it was edgy and could be abused. I'm not sure the intentions were there but there was certainly a lack of sensitivity," Foxman said."
"We've been troubled by the anti-Semites and racists during this political season, and we've seen a number of so-called Trump supporters peddling some of the worst stereotypes all through this year," Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO and National Director of the ADL told The Daily Beast. Greenblatt said the organization would like to see Trump speak out against the individuals behind prejudiced images that permeate social media. "For those people who say that you can write this off, and that calling it out is simply political correctness, it's crazy."
In related news, former Trump campaign manager called the controversy "political correctness." Go figure.
I don't think I've made any such prognostication. I think Trump is a dramatically unintelligent choice for President, but "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." (paraphrased from H. L. Mencken). If Trump wins, I'll keep my passport handy in case he comes for me after he's done with the Mexicans and the Muslims.Quote: TwoFeathersATLIf I remember correctly, one of these Forum's most prolific posters announced the obvious result long before the teas leaves settled in the bottom of the cup in the last Presidential season. That poster has never lived that premature prophecy down. I am surprised that you, MathExtremist, have scampered out to the thin end of a tree limb at this point in the process. I do not know how to respond, not at this point. Hopefully you are not that far above the ground, or you bounce really good ;-). 2F
Quote: Pastor Martin NiemollerFirst they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Quote: SOOPOOIt is too bad we don't have a Rubio/Kasich/Bush running to see what a 'mainstream' Republican could do against such a flawed Democrat nominee.....
They tried, and the GOP electorate said no, they prefer Trump. This is just who the GOP is, apparently.
Lots of people seem to think the Democrats also picked the "less electable" candidate, though I disagree with that.
, If what you fear so much comes to pass, your passport might not get you out of the country.Quote: MathExtremistI don't think I've made any such prognostication. I think Trump is a dramatically unintelligent choice for President, but "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." (paraphrased from H. L. Mencken). If Trump wins, I'll keep my passport handy in case he comes for me after he's done with the Mexicans and the Muslims.
Nice deflection BTW, I have no desire to cross swords with you on the inter webby thingy.
You did speak pretty strong words, need I quote?
I suspect you allowed yourself to get excited, overly excited in fact. Trump and Hillary, Clinton and Donald, I suspect both of them can not be simultaneously the devil incarnate. Looks like one might/prolly will become POTUS. I also suspect your passport will still get you out of the USA if you move swiftly.
Quote: ams288This +1000.
I'm done listening to the RonCs of the world who keep saying "both candidates suck."
Maybe they do both suck. But Trump's suckiness is exponentially worse than Hillary's.
One is "crooked" - but at least she's qualified and actually knows stuff.
Donald Trump is a racist, misogynistic, bigoted piece of crap. He knows nothing. He blatantly lies about his main qualification - how much money he is worth and how successful his businesses are.
The fact that so many Repulicans are putting party before country like this is astonishing. They know Trump is the worst candidate they have ever allowed to be their nominee. To see so many of them pretend he would be anything but a disaster for this country is frankly sad.
There are some Republicans who openly oppose Trump. But not enough. Too many are blindly following him off the cliff he is taking them over. In the end, I hope Trump ends up tearing the party apart and destroying it. The Republicans deserve it.
You are done listening to me but you agree with what I say...how many times do I have to say that I don't know if I can vote for Trump? Like you ever listened....that is pretty funny in my book.
On another note, I am glad to see you admit that Hillary is "crooked" after all your "there is nothing to see here" statements.
Quote: RonCOn another note, I am glad to see you admit that Hillary is "crooked" after all your "there is nothing to see here" statements.
I put the crooked in quotes to show that's what people (RE: Trump) say about her - it did not indicate that I agree with them.
Quote: ams288I put the crooked in quotes to show that's what people (RE: Trump) say about her - it did not indicate that I agree with them.
Whatever.
Quote: MrGoldenSunThey tried, and the GOP electorate said no, they prefer Trump. This is just who the GOP is, apparently.
I don't think it is "who" the GOP is any more than Hillary is "who" the Democrat party is...Trump is just the one that got more votes from those who voted; he is obviously not the choice of every Republican...or even close to it. No candidate stood out in time to actually push Trump. He had better name recognition early on than most of the candidates and rattled too many people off of their game.
I see him as much like Obama in the way he came to the nomination...not a better candidate, just one who spoke more clearly about issues important in the eyes of a segment of the population that voted in the primaries. We'll survive Obama; we'll survive Hillary or Donald, too.
Quote: MrGoldenSunLots of people seem to think the Democrats also picked the "less electable" candidate, though I disagree with that.
The polls seemed to indicate at one point that Hillary has more trouble with Trump as am opponent than Bernie did. Perhaps those polls could be discounted because Bernie never really had a chance based on the Democrat system for the nomination, but they could also indicate that Bernie was/is more electable than Clinton. Is Clinton "electable"? Of course. Her chances of winning are pretty good at this point.
Here is the most likely topic, as reported just two days later by The New York Times:Quote: ams288What do you think they actually talked about, if it wasn't their grandchildren, Janet Reno, etc.? I seriously want to know what the righties think Bill said to her. What power does he have over her?
"Democrats close to Mrs. Clinton say she may decide to retain Ms. Lynch, the nation’s first black woman to be attorney general, who took office in April 2015."
Quote: SanchoPanzaHere is the most likely topic, as reported just two days later by The New York Times:
"Democrats close to Mrs. Clinton say she may decide to retain Ms. Lynch, the nation’s first black woman to be attorney general, who took office in April 2015."
Sounds good to me!
I have been impressed with Lynch's performance as AG.
Apparently not impressed enough to the point of hugging one's enemies.Quote: ams288Sounds good to me! I have been impressed with Lynch's performance as AG.
Quote: RonCThe polls seemed to indicate at one point that Hillary has more trouble with Trump as am opponent than Bernie did. Perhaps those polls could be discounted because Bernie never really had a chance based on the Democrat system for the nomination, but they could also indicate that Bernie was/is more electable than Clinton.
I know. They could indicate that, and I think it's a reasonable conclusion. However, in this case, I think the polls are unreliable and statistically biased.
I think if Bernie had been nominated, the GOP would have started attacking him instead of Hillary. I think they didn't focus much on him thus far, because they (accurately) didn't perceive him as a threat. Had he been nominated, though, you'd start hearing a lot more pointed criticism, and the GOP is very good at getting attacks to stick.
Therefore, I think a big reason Bernie does well compared to Hillary in those polls is: they only exist in a world which is more favorable to him than a theoretical world in which he is the primary target of intense scrutiny and negativity.
It is unfortunate that both parties have candidates which are SO disliked by the "other side." It means that no matter what happens, the next four years are going to feature a ton of bitterness and tribalism.
Quote: RonCWhatever.
Filmmaker and political activist, Michael Moore says Donald Trump has been able to manipulate the population through propaganda.
"He [Trump] knows how to manipulate a dumbed-down population. A population whose schools have been wrecked, whose media is just, just insipid, and stupid and doesn't give people the facts about what's going on, so the public is easily manipulated by somebody like him ..." Michael Moore
http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-moore-trump-can-win-president-2016-6
Quote: MrGoldenSun
It is unfortunate that both parties have candidates which are SO disliked by the "other side." It means that no matter what happens, the next four years are going to feature a ton of bitterness and tribalism.
In a democracy like ours, the dislike of each other is normal and necessary, but it must NOT stop the parties and its citizens from working together in order to make America greater and better. But what happens here is obstructions primarily by the republicans and its vocal radical/extremist followers that make it very difficult for the congress and the POTUS to do their jobs. The main reason for this current and the past some 20 years of obstructionism is due to the gerrymandering, and to stop the unnecessary obstructions, gerrymandering must be reformed or eliminated entirely.
I hate to agree with Michael Moore on anything, but there is truth to what he said about the media, and the masses, but his view is fatally flawed. He had some facts, but drew the wrong conclusions. This was not by accident, he really is smarter than that.Quote: 777In a democracy like ours, the dislike of each other is normal and necessary, but it must NOT stop the parties and its citizens from working together in order to make America greater and better. But what happens here is obstructions primarily by the republicans and its vocal radical/extremist followers that make it very difficult for the congress and the POTUS to do their jobs. The main reason for this current and the past some 20 years of obstructionism is due to the gerrymandering, and to stop the unnecessary obstructions, gerrymandering must be reformed or eliminated entirely.
As to 'obstructions primarily by the republicans', I am a very slow typer and am not mad enough at the moment to undertake that debate.
Gerrymandering is not good, too much time spent by whichever faction has control at the moment re-drawing the lines in their favor. If we had public servants, they would serve the Public, they would spend less time serving their party, and their donors.
"No charges are appropriate in this case."
Quote: ams288
The fact that so many Repulicans are putting party before country like this is astonishing. They know Trump is the worst candidate they have ever allowed to be their nominee. To see so many of them pretend he would be anything but a disaster for this country is frankly sad.
Oh, you know they'll just blame Obama for whatever terrible things happen under Trump... :D
Quote: ams288The fact that so many Repulicans are putting party before country like this is astonishing. They know Trump is the worst candidate they have ever allowed to be their nominee. To see so many of them pretend he would be anything but a disaster for this country is frankly sad.
Quote: TigerWuOh, you know they'll just blame Obama for whatever terrible things happen under Trump... :D
"Can we all get along?" Rodney King. Let's stop the GOP obstructions and Trump's divisiveness & manipulative statements.
It is o.k. for the politicians and the citizens to disagree or even dislike each other. However, the disagreement or dislike must NOT reach level of UNNECESSARY obstructions (primarily by the republicans). How is it a political crime or political suicide for a republican for simply shaking President Obama's hand? Democrats doesn't think this way.
We MUST to work together despite our differences to make America greater and better. Let's reform or eliminate gerrymandering ...
Quote: ams288FBI Director James Comey:
"No charges are appropriate in this case."
There is definitely a lesson learned from this investigation, and I hope all state and federal government agencies will revisit their policies regarding use of private servers and communication classifications.
But soooooo many Republicans were convinced she was going to be indicted. So in that respect it's a win I guess.
And so far Trump is going with the "system is rigged" argument. I think a more intelligent route would be to rail against her judgement, and not the system.... but that's just me I guess.
Quote: ams288I don't think the Clinton campaign is feeling "good" today about the FBI Director's statement. I believe he called her "extremely careless."
But soooooo many Republicans were convinced she was going to be indicted. So in that respect it's a win I guess.
And so far Trump is going with the "system is rigged" argument. I think a more intelligent route would be to rail against her judgement, and not the system.... but that's just me I guess.
One can be extremely careless and not be indicted.
One probably should not be President if one has a history of being extremely careless with sensitive information.
One probably will be...
Quote: ams288I don't think the Clinton campaign is feeling "good" today about the FBI Director's statement. I believe he called her "extremely careless."
But soooooo many Republicans were convinced she was going to be indicted. So in that respect it's a win I guess.
And so far Trump is going with the "system is rigged" argument. I think a more intelligent route would be to rail against her judgement, and not the system.... but that's just me I guess.
From the "glass half full" perspective, I believe the private server and email issues are good lesson learned for her and our nation, and lesson learned from these will make Clinton a better person/leader.
Quote: RonCOne can be extremely careless and not be indicted.
One probably should not be President if one has a history of being extremely careless with sensitive information.
One probably will be...
Some people learn from their mistakes. For the sake of our country, let's hope she is one of them.
For the sake of our country, let's hope the wicked witch of the west DOESN'T get elected. It's been a long road, a hard road. One can only hope for a good future.....Quote: billryanSome people learn from their mistakes. For the sake of our country, let's hope she is one of them.
She does covet those ruby slippers....
Quote: TwoFeathersATLFor the sake of our country, let's hope the wicked witch of the west DOESN'T get elected. It's been a long road, a hard road. One can only hope for a good future.....
I'll take the wicked witch with the bad judgment over the Oompa Loompa with NO judgment any day of the week.
You quick white man, I had not added the ruby slippers yet ;-)Quote: ams288I'll take the wicked witch with the bad judgment over the Oompa Loompa with NO judgment any day of the week.
What is Oompa Loompa? What is that Precious?
They should have realized when Obama endorsed her so quickly, that nothing was ever going to come of this email issue.
Rudy Giuliani is on MSNBC right now crying a river over it.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
I never really thought that there "would" be an indictment; I won't get into a debate about whether there "should" have been one or not. I will say that her systematic disregard for the security of classified information is unacceptable. The poor excuses about this person and that person doing it are just that--excuses--and there is no proof that any of them allowed their negligence to reach the epic proportions that hers did.
I'm sure the low information voters won't care and are blissfully unaware of what has taken place.
Explain this to me: if you have such a problem with Clinton's carelessness and gross neglect, why don't you have an even bigger problem with Trump's intentional malice and willful fraud?Quote: KeyserEvidently, carelessness, and gross neglect still qualifies you for a security clearance. Unreal.
Quote: MathExtremistExplain this to me: if you have such a problem with Clinton's carelessness and gross neglect, why don't you have an even bigger problem with Trump's intentional malice and willful fraud?
Trump being unqualified to be President doesn't erase Clinton's being unqualified for a security clearance...though she will get a pass once elected President...
Quote: KeyserThe fact that so many Democrats are putting party before country like this is astonishing. They know Hillary is the worst candidate they have ever allowed to be their nominee.
In am not anti gay
I am not a racist or bigot
I am pro choice
I support ACA
I don't believe people should call reporters and lie saying their name is John Miller, just be honest about who you are
Who do you suggest I vote for President?
Quote: KeyserThey know Hillary is the worst candidate they have ever allowed to be their nominee.
I'm no Hillary fan but I don't think that's even remotely true.
Quote:be qualified to become the president of the US.
The only qualifications to be president are natural citizen, 35 years old, and living in the country for 14 years. Both Clinton and Trump are "qualified." If you're talking about political experience, however, then Clinton runs circles around Trump. That's not even arguable, and I think even most Republicans would admit that.
Quote: terapined
In am not anti gay
I am not a racist or bigot
I am pro choice
I support ACA
Who do you suggest I vote for President?
In THEORY, you should vote for a third party candidate. However, since everyone knows that it's either going to be Trump or Clinton, then Clinton should technically get your vote. Or you can just not vote.
