Keyser
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December 19th, 2017 at 1:52:30 PM permalink
Here's Popular Mechanics view on the situation.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a14456936/that-time-the-us-navy-had-a-close-encounter-with-a-ufo/
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December 19th, 2017 at 2:00:17 PM permalink
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What makes the bomb shell videos so compelling is that they're from people trained to look at the skies and the motion of objects within in it. They're not lay people, they're military in the air and on the ground in many cases.



The NY Times account of the 2004 San Diego incident is good, but if anyone is interested in a more detailed version written by a pilot with a military background, this article is even better.

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To me it seems pointless to send life on such a dangerous mission across the cosmos. If a race is sophisticated enough to travel far across galaxies, then they're likely capable of uploading they're consciousness/ transcendence to their machines from far away.



When Spielberg made Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he brought on Jacques Vallee as an adviser to the film. Vallee tried to persuade Spielberg that UFOs aren't spaceships traveling from a distant planet. Vallee believes they're from a different dimension. To the layman, the idea of a parallel universe in a different dimension sounds absurd. But to physicists, the theory isn't very radical.

Needless to say, Spielberg wasn't impressed by Vallee's arguments and he made a movie about extraterrestrial aliens.
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December 19th, 2017 at 2:09:16 PM permalink
Thanks for the link. Very interesting!

I'm perplexed as to why Sciam, Discover, and Nature haven't weighed in on the recent video and story. I regularly read all three and I suspect that it probably has to do with the layer of smug arrogance that surrounds them.
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December 19th, 2017 at 2:54:29 PM permalink
There was a suggestion that it could still be very unusual natural phenomena. A few details seem to make that more unlikely. For instance, that very stable and even 90 degree rotation on the video of the object. Of course it could still be manmade, but it doesn't look much like natural movement like of a sail, rudder affected by wind or g force.

If the whole thing is a hoax, it's a pretty darn good one considering the number of people and various things detecting events separately.

I'm interested in debunking it if possible. Someone will need to explain how it was accomplished as a whole though. You could certainly get two pilots to lie and tell a tall tale. But the ship detection also needs collusion as well as instrument panel video, and of course any other pertinent record keeping.
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December 19th, 2017 at 3:35:41 PM permalink


What's also fascinating is the response by the general public to the videos released by the Department of Defense. Most don't really care as they're too wrapped up in their Facebook/Snapchat realm of narcissism. It's bizarre. Back in the 1970s/1980s/1990s this would have been a much bigger story. After all, this is the gov releasing videos and saying, "Yep, we've collected some cool stuff and have been running a secret program."

I sense that it's purposeful release was to gauge the readiness and general response the public would have to the story, and to prepare us for a bigger news event involving them in the future.
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:45:05 PM permalink
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What's also fascinating is the response by the general public to the videos released by the Department of Defense. Most don't really care as they're too wrapped up in their Facebook/Snapchat realm of narcissism. It's bizarre. Back in the 1970s/1980s/1990s this would have been a much bigger story. After all, this is the gov releasing videos and saying, "Yep, we've collected some cool stuff and have been running a secret program."

I sense that it's purposeful release was to gauge the readiness and general response the public would have to the story, and to prepare us for a bigger news event involving them in the future.

Or it could be that people have lived through the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's and up until now with nothing but a bunch of air balls.

I sense that its purposeful release was to gauge the readiness of the general publics willingness to help fun millions of dollars in "research".
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:50:28 PM permalink
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I sense that it's purposeful release was to gauge the readiness and general response the public would have to the story, and to prepare us for a bigger news event involving them in the future.

Perhaps, then, also the aliens are doing the same thing with their aliens? It just seems that when we get into other ways to explain things, prematurely, that we don't really explain anything. Okay, parallel dimensions. Where do those get us? Take the dimensions 1, 2 and 3, but then a 4th that is supposedly completely different from the others. And then have a bunch of parallel worlds based on the same dimensions. But, how do we know that those dimensions, as laid out by Einstein, are in a reasonable progression or other relationship? To make up parallel worlds is to duplicate the same errors of science to infinity. Ants have access to the same electromagnetic spectrum as we do, regardless of their use of it. We live in the same universe, with the ants and every thing else. There isn't a separate universe or physics for the aliens. As a higher understanding of physics is still based on the lower. But, when they are seen, all they seem to do is display the impossible. I mean, if they are going to conceal themselves, they are going to conceal themselves. So why would they reveal only the seemingly impossible parts of themselves, and to a very, very select few of us? It makes for great bull garbage.
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:59:52 PM permalink
Before we get into extra dimensions we need to determine the source of the UFOs. Currently the experts can't say what the source is, but many are suggesting that they aren't local. However, I don't believe that we need to invoke extra dimensions just yet.

For now it appears that UFOs from outer space may be quite real.
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:03:12 PM permalink
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Before we get into extra dimensions we need to determine the source of the UFOs. Currently the experts can't say what the source is, but many are suggesting that they aren't local. However, I don't believe that we need to invoke extra dimensions just yet.

I don't understand why no one has ever seen them dump a load of space crap.
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:14:06 PM permalink
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For now it appears that UFOs from outer space may be quite real.

Along with Bigfoot, betting systems and 18 yo's in a row.

Actually, I think there's a much much better chance we are being visited by aliens than someone actually seen 18 yo's in a row.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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