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mickeycrimm
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February 7th, 2014 at 12:18:39 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

I was primarily referring to ma pa bars and restaurants........no doubt casinos are highly regulated. Hard to skim.



In Montana a bar is a casino and a casino is a bar. There are 1700 bars in Montana. Good luck finding one that doesn't have machines in it. A licensed establishment has booze, and has up to 20 machines, and they may have a restaurant. The machines are the main revenue. When video poker and video keno were legalized in Montana it caused the going price of a liquor to go from about $100,000 up to $1,000,000. The price of a liquor license dropped way off after the smoking ban. One owner sold his for $500,000. Typically, the Montana Tavern Owners Association was outraged. They talked the legislature into throwing them another bone. They legalized video line games. It has been a revenue booster. The going price of a liquor license has gone back up.

As a long time smoker I agree with the anti-smoking lobby that smoking should not be allowed in bars/casinos. But what I don't like about the anti-smoking lobby is their intellectual dishonesty. Everywhere a smoking ban has been implemented revenue has dropped. The bar owners complain about it. The anti-smokers blame the revenue drop on everything but the real cause, the smoking ban itself. I never heard an anti-smoker say something like "Yeah, sure, revenue drops because of the smoking ban, but that's the price we have to pay to protect our health." No, anti-smokers make statements like yours, Treetop. "They are robbing the till to make it look like they are losing revenue." You betcha!

With the anti-smoking lobby the end justifies the means.
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gpac1377
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February 8th, 2014 at 11:24:40 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

This past summer my buddy Hap and me took a trip over to Coeur d' Alene Casino just south of Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. It was the first time in 4 years I had been inside a smoking casino. It seemed like everyone in the joint was smoking. The place STUNK TO HIGH HEAVEN!


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But what I don't like about the anti-smoking lobby is their intellectual dishonesty.

With the anti-smoking lobby the end justifies the means.


I see a lot of questionable analysis from all directions.

I think the government-ban proponents usually claim (falsely) that casino patrons are regular, ordinary people, so a ban would be no big deal because most people don't smoke anyway. I'm not sure the anti-smokers are dishonest, it's just that they never visit casinos, so they have no experience.

The status-quo proponents understand that a ban would be disruptive because casinos are cesspools of degeneracy, but they ignore that the industry as it presently exists is severely limited by its close association with smoking.

To achieve its full potential, IMO, the industry must confine smoke to areas that can reasonably be avoided by non-smoking patrons. Government intervention is always a risk, but I only support voluntary action, which I believe is possible within my lifetime ... assuming I live to the age of 100,000,000.
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February 25th, 2014 at 9:47:39 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Smokeless products are much less obnoxious to innocent bystanders, especially snus since apparently there's no spitting.

But there's a perception of smokers as tortured addicts that doesn't ring true with me. Surveys show 75% of smokers would like to quit, which I find hard to believe. For many people, smoking is an anti-intellectual lifestyle choice that enables them to conform without conforming. It helps them fit in with their peers, while differentiating from the mainstream. They enjoy every aspect of smoking, and they don't seek a replacement, nor would snus be a suitable one.



While that may be true for some people, you'll find that many tobacco users are smoking to self-medicate. It's not just nicotine they're addicted to; tobacco naturally contains MAOIs that are shown to have a positve effect on people with many mental disorders such as depression, bi-polar, and even schizophrenia (which by the way studies show around 80% of people with are smokers). Nicotine is also very benefical to those who suffer from ADHD, in fact many ADHD medications' mechanisms are based on what nicotine does; they both target the exact same receptors. Why do you think smoking and gambling go hand in hand? Whats one thing those two have in common? Impulsivity. Smokers are shown time and time again to be among the most impulsive people.
onenickelmiracle
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February 25th, 2014 at 10:36:06 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Smokeless products are much less obnoxious to innocent bystanders, especially snus since apparently there's no spitting.

But there's a perception of smokers as tortured addicts that doesn't ring true with me. Surveys show 75% of smokers would like to quit, which I find hard to believe. For many people, smoking is an anti-intellectual lifestyle choice that enables them to conform without conforming. It helps them fit in with their peers, while differentiating from the mainstream. They enjoy every aspect of smoking, and they don't seek a replacement, nor would snus be a suitable one.

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onenickelmiracle
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January 2nd, 2019 at 8:36:14 PM permalink
I encountered a person lately that was going through heroin withdrawal and had some other health issues, it was very sad seeing this person so pale and zombie like. Also hearing about someone we both knew had overdosed and was in a coma, it's weird to think someone you had met could possibly be alive one day and possibly dead the next, because of an addiction, is very sad. People are dying left and right, a relative died from this, but hearing of this person possibly dead by now, it's more of a shock. On top of this, to think of the money and power these drug dealers derive from selling this crap, it should be taken away from them as soon as possible, they should have nothing.
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January 2nd, 2019 at 9:11:55 PM permalink
I was talking with an old girl friend from Back in the Day, and she said she was surprised that the two of us were still alive, as most of the people we knew died of drugs, violence or a car wreck.

Life's a gift: try not to piss it away.
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billryan
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January 3rd, 2019 at 9:10:46 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I was talking with an old girl friend from Back in the Day, and she said she was surprised that the two of us were still alive, as most of the people we knew died of drugs, violence or a car wreck.

Life's a gift: try not to piss it away.



Everyone does. Sadly, many people never truly live.

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