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FleaStiff
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February 6th, 2014 at 3:31:21 AM permalink
Soybeans are oil seeds, not beans. A comparatively recent crop.

Corn of course sustained the American Indians and the settlers. Fifty hours of labor would bring in a corn crop. No wonder they even made pipes out of it.
rudeboyoi
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February 6th, 2014 at 3:38:13 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Soybeans are oil seeds, not beans. A comparatively recent crop.

Corn of course sustained the American Indians and the settlers. Fifty hours of labor would bring in a corn crop. No wonder they even made pipes out of it.



How many ears of corn is a crop?
FleaStiff
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February 6th, 2014 at 6:19:50 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

How many ears of corn is a crop?

[Off Topic: Oh beats me, but at fifty hours of labor for one year ... it sure wasn't much work.
You cleared the land, planted the corn. left it alone... harvested it. And it was food, fire material, very portable medium of exchange when distilled ... and husks were even used at toilet paper./OffTopic]
treetopbuddy
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February 6th, 2014 at 6:35:59 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


China ended its opium problem by making growing or posessing opium an un=appealable death penalty.



Bingo!
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mickeycrimm
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February 6th, 2014 at 6:49:46 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Many smoking bans have lead to enhanced economic experiences for bar owners despite bar owners being the most vigorous opponents of such legislation.



This was not the case with the Helena, Montana smoking ban of 2002. Voters in the city passed a smoking ban for bars/restaurants/casinos. Revenue fell 20% overnight and stayed that way as long as the ban was in effect. Business boomed in the business's outside the city limits. Revenue across the rest of the state remained the same. The Montana Tavern Owners Association was outraged. They made legal challenges and the law was eventually overturned. Revenue went back up to pre smoking ban levels. The Helena smoking ban was followed nationwide by pro and anti smoking groups.

The statewide smoking ban took effect on 1 Oct 2009. Revenue dropped 17%. It's been about 4 1/2 years now since the ban took effect and revenue is up to about 92% of the pre smoking ban years.

I make my living in these little bitty casinos in Montana. I quickly got used to smoking outside. It's no big deal at all. And, believe it or not, I actually got used to the clean air inside. This past summer my buddy Hap and me took a trip over to Coeur d' Alene Casino just south of Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. It was the first time in 4 years I had been inside a smoking casino. It seemed like everyone in the joint was smoking. The place STUNK TO HIGH HEAVEN!

All I found in the joint was Ulimate X's. I made a few hundred dollars....then got to twiddle my thumbs. No one was giving the game any action. I just caught the buildup because no one there was working it. I told Hap it wasn't worth the gas and hotel bill to drive over there.
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treetopbuddy
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February 6th, 2014 at 7:08:43 AM permalink
I'm guessing that when the ban went in effect a higher percentage of sales did not go through register.
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Zer0
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February 6th, 2014 at 7:32:06 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Actually its not quite true.

We measure emphysema costs virtually all of which are attributable to smokers but smokers die of other diseases too and have medical costs well before they start hacking away all day.

Alot of hotels and office buildings are non smoking and they went that way for business reasons involving cleaning rather than legislation or politics.

How much lost productivity do you want to chalk up to the effects of inhaled carbon monoxide? Do you want to charge the last two hours a day of a computer programmer at a high rate to "smoking costs" because you have to pay him for less productive work?



Thats exactly right; while I'm not anti tobacco by any means, the argument that smoking is so great for governments is kind of misleading; the taxes do at the end of the day bring in a profit but its not 100% by any means. Sure smokers die earlier but up until that point their health care costs are a boatload higher than nonsmokers. Know how much a lung cancer operation costs? How about extensive treatment for COPD, not to mention the general fact that smokers go to the doctor a lot more than non smokers. I'm not against TOBACCO on the other hand though, one thing that anti smoking groups don't like to admit: its not the tobacco or the nicotine that kills people, its the smoke. Any time you light something on fire and breathe in the smoke, its gonna screw up your lungs. Nicotine by itself, I don't give a shit what the FDA or the American Heart/Lung/(whatever body part the johnsnon and johnson corporation wants to create a "charity" in the name of to market and lobby for their drugs) Associations say, is no worse than caffiene. Thats why I suppourt harm reduction, which basically involves having smokers switch to other, far less hazardous forms of nicotine consumption, namely swedish style snus (type of snuff thats pasturized to reduce carcinogens rather then fermented like american chewing tobaccos which increases carcinogens), dissolvable tobacco, and E-cigs.
mickeycrimm
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February 6th, 2014 at 7:32:20 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

I'm guessing that when the ban went in effect a higher percentage of sales did not go through register.



The gambling machines keep their own stats and are audited by the state.
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treetopbuddy
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February 6th, 2014 at 7:44:10 AM permalink
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The gambling machines keep their own stats and are audited by the state.



I was primarily referring to ma pa bars and restaurants........no doubt casinos are highly regulated. Hard to skim.
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gpac1377
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February 6th, 2014 at 9:03:47 AM permalink
Quote: Zer0

its not the tobacco or the nicotine that kills people, its the smoke.

I suppourt harm reduction, which basically involves having smokers switch to other, far less hazardous forms of nicotine consumption, namely swedish style snus (type of snuff thats pasturized to reduce carcinogens rather then fermented like american chewing tobaccos which increases carcinogens), dissolvable tobacco, and E-cigs.


Smokeless products are much less obnoxious to innocent bystanders, especially snus since apparently there's no spitting.

But there's a perception of smokers as tortured addicts that doesn't ring true with me. Surveys show 75% of smokers would like to quit, which I find hard to believe. For many people, smoking is an anti-intellectual lifestyle choice that enables them to conform without conforming. It helps them fit in with their peers, while differentiating from the mainstream. They enjoy every aspect of smoking, and they don't seek a replacement, nor would snus be a suitable one.
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