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February 5th, 2014 at 5:46:47 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The feds are funny like that!

Just remember, who makes more money off of a pack of cigarettes:

A.) The farmer
B.) The cigarette company
C.) The retailer
D.) State and Federal government



I was gonna say health care, but I guess you can now just plop that into "D" =D
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February 5th, 2014 at 6:20:30 AM permalink
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Quote: AZDuffman

The feds are funny like that!

Just remember, who makes more money off of a pack of cigarettes:

A.) The farmer
B.) The cigarette company
C.) The retailer
D.) State and Federal government



I was gonna say health care, but I guess you can now just plop that into "D" =D



Jimmy Burke has been dead for almost 20 years or he would be "E."
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February 5th, 2014 at 6:33:23 AM permalink
Well, its referred to as a "sin tax" so I guess we don't really have to quibble as to whether Health Care or Government is the greater sin in this nation.

As to smoking and casinos that brings us back to the strongly held belief that most gamblers smoke like a chimney, a belief very strongly held to by casino owners and legislators.

I see no use in discussing this belief, but it might be sensible for someone to dig up the original work on Reward Deficiency Syndrome and see if in fact that is a genetic basis for smoking, sky-diving, drug use, violent crime, etc. etc. I've watched these tv specials on child molestations and hardly seen a perpetrator who obviously doesn't need an endocrinologist. Much of our crime and anti social behavior may be genetically linked. We need more data. The trouble is that politically sensitive groups pounce on scientists who try to link crime with genetics fearing it will be linked to race.
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February 5th, 2014 at 7:03:29 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Well, its referred to as a "sin tax" so I guess we don't really have to quibble as to whether Health Care or Government is the greater sin in this nation.

As to smoking and casinos that brings us back to the strongly held belief that most gamblers smoke like a chimney, a belief very strongly held to by casino owners and legislators.

I see no use in discussing this belief, but it might be sensible for someone to dig up the original work on Reward Deficiency Syndrome and see if in fact that is a genetic basis for smoking, sky-diving, drug use, violent crime, etc. etc. I've watched these tv specials on child molestations and hardly seen a perpetrator who obviously doesn't need an endocrinologist. Much of our crime and anti social behavior may be genetically linked. We need more data. The trouble is that politically sensitive groups pounce on scientists who try to link crime with genetics fearing it will be linked to race.



Another great post by FleaStiff.....your one smart dude.

CVS beginning Oct 1 will no longer sell tobacco products. The decision will cost CVS an estimated 2 billion in sales annually.
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February 5th, 2014 at 8:02:04 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

I have a friend who spends a couple of months a year in Thailand. And he tells me that premium cigarettes like Marlboro sell for $6.50 a carton there. And he tells me there are American ex-patriots there shipping them back to the United States by the case. I wonder if this is really true.


It very likely is true, people do all kinds of tax evasion stuff with tobacco to make a lot of money. That seems risky though, depending on how they are shipped, I had a friends dad, who bought cigarettes like this from somebody oversees for personal use, and the customs were secretly tracking it (not seizing it), and at the end of the year they billed him all of the money they owed him in back taxes (thousands of dollars), and pretty much said he had to pay or go to jail. If they are secretly tracking him (which is possible if he is shipping them through legal means) hundreds of cartons a day, he will probably end up with a bill for millions of dollars at the end of the year lol.
Prison smuggling in America is another popular way (even though its not tax evasion), but bringing cigarettes into prisons with really strict tobacco policies is profitable (at some really strict prisons they can go for over 100 bucks a PACK, so even if you buy them for 12 dollars a pack you can still make a ton of money), and very low legal risk, since in a worst case scenario all the prison guards can really do is take them from you.
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February 5th, 2014 at 8:11:12 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

It very likely is true, people do all kinds of tax evasion stuff with tobacco to make a lot of money. That seems risky though, depending on how they are shipped, I had a friends dad, who bought cigarettes like this from somebody oversees for personal use, and the customs were secretly tracking it (not seizing it), and at the end of the year they billed him all of the money they owed him in back taxes (thousands of dollars), and pretty much said he had to pay or go to jail. If they are secretly tracking him (which is possible if he is shipping them through legal means) hundreds of cartons a day, he will probably end up with a bill for millions of dollars at the end of the year lol.



Happens on the rez here all the time. City folk will (attempt to) buy them by the truckload if they can, although it's mostly patrolled now down to 10 cartons max. Buy up for $25-$30 a carton, run em to the city, and sell them for $7 a pack.

I recall time in college. My best friend / roommate and I had it pretty good for awhile. He'd come to me when I was working the smoke shop, I'd give him premium brands at rock bottom prices, and we'd sell them out of our dorm fridge all year long. The fact that it was as bad a crime as selling coke was a non issue; we had a constant and seemingly unlimited flow of beer money, and life was good.
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February 5th, 2014 at 8:13:36 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Another great post by FleaStiff.....your one smart dude.

CVS beginning Oct 1 will no longer sell tobacco products. The decision will cost CVS an estimated 2 billion in sales annually.



I'm glad to see CVS take a stance against tobacco. They are headquartered in Rhode Island and do a lot for charity, especially in the Southern New England area. My wife and I volunteer at their charity golf tournament in Barrington. It consistently draws some of the top pros in the world.

On the other side of the coin, this company has been in so much trouble over the years that I don't know where to start. Trouble with the feds, the state and various agencies within them. There have been charges of kickbacks, deceptive practices, fraud and corruption to name some.

Anyway, good for them for taking a stance.
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February 5th, 2014 at 8:18:17 AM permalink
Quote: Face

Quote: AZDuffman

The feds are funny like that!

Just remember, who makes more money off of a pack of cigarettes:

A.) The farmer
B.) The cigarette company
C.) The retailer
D.) State and Federal government



I was gonna say health care, but I guess you can now just plop that into "D" =D


I recently heard of a study (didn't read it myself, so this is second-hand) that smokers actually end up spending less on health care of the span of their life because they die earlier. Healthier folk live longer, into their 70s and 80s, so even though they have fewer health problems in their younger and middle-age years, they end up spending more on the back end.

I will try to dig up any evidence on this, but to me it passes the smell test.
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February 5th, 2014 at 8:20:47 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I'm glad to see CVS take a stance against tobacco. They are headquartered in Rhode Island and do a lot for charity, especially in the Southern New England area. My wife and I volunteer at their charity golf tournament in Barrington. It consistently draws some of the top pros in the world.

On the other side of the coin, this company has been in so much trouble over the years that I don't know where to start. Trouble with the feds, the state and various agencies within them. There have been charges of kickbacks, deceptive practices, fraud and corruption to name some.

Anyway, good for them for taking a stance.


They are probably hoping it will benefit them years down the road when hardly anyone smokes anymore. Then they can be like "look at us we were standing against tobacco when it was not popular to do so" it will be good publicity for them later on.
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February 5th, 2014 at 8:29:06 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

I recently heard of a study (didn't read it myself, so this is second-hand) that smokers actually end up spending less on health care of the span of their life because they die earlier. Healthier folk live longer, into their 70s and 80s, so even though they have fewer health problems in their younger and middle-age years, they end up spending more on the back end.

I will try to dig up any evidence on this, but to me it passes the smell test.



Not only that, but decreased life span also lessens the drain on Social Security and reduces the use of valuable resources, not to mention the tons of money smokers pump into social and healthcare programs by way of taxes.

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