Bavarian Texas Holdem

Hi Michael, hi everyone,

I came across the game Bavarian Texas Holdem which is played in (you guessed it) Bavaria, Germany. I couldn't find anything on the game and was wondering about the odds. I realize that the game isn't very reachable for anyone in America, so you probably won't be interested very much, but I figured asking couldn't hurt.

Here's how the game plays.
You bet an Ante. Then you and the dealer each get two cards. You can now fold or bet on the flop. When the flop comes, you can check or bet on the turn. When the turn comes, you can bet on the river or check. When the river is there, automatic showdown.
Bets must always be the exact size of the ante. The dealer plays all hands (even 7 high). If you win, all the bets you made except the Ante always pay 1:1. Ante pushes, unless you win with a straight or better, then Ante always pays 1:1 as well.

I'm very curious about the odds and a proper strategy, but I have nowhere near of enough mathematical understanding to figure it out.
What I could figure out (at least I'm quite certain) were the odds of the bonus bet they offer - probably (one of) the least suckery side bets out there, where you loose 0.08Cents per Euro. That kind of raised my hopes the main game could be beatable or at least make me lose my money similarly slowly.

oak

This sounds like Texas Hold em Bonus. https://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-hold-em-bonus/

Hah, thanks! It's very close. The only difference is, that your bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet. I wonder how much of an impact that has.

Also, the bonus bet is the same and of course, I made a mistake in my calculation. That's why I rarely trust my own math...

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Hah, thanks! It's very close. The only difference is, that your bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet. I wonder how much of an impact that has.

Also, the bonus bet is the same and of course, I made a mistake in my calculation. That's why I rarely trust my own math...
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Given the bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet, I get that the change in player EV is -0.19802. Someone else may wish to check me.

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Quote: oak

Hah, thanks! It's very close. The only difference is, that your bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet. I wonder how much of an impact that has.

Also, the bonus bet is the same and of course, I made a mistake in my calculation. That's why I rarely trust my own math...
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Given the bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet, I get that the change in player EV is -0.19802. Someone else may wish to check me.
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I’m getting overall -0.03513004954 ev for a difference of -0.01476104954. This assumes not changing the player strategy.

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Quote: oak

Hah, thanks! It's very close. The only difference is, that your bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet. I wonder how much of an impact that has.

Also, the bonus bet is the same and of course, I made a mistake in my calculation. That's why I rarely trust my own math...
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Given the bet on the flop is the same size as the ante, not a 2x bet, I get that the change in player EV is -0.19802. Someone else may wish to check me.
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But the dealer always plays. No need for a pair to qualify.


ZCore13

Those are two quite different numbers. In any case, the game is worse than I'd hoped for. Thanks for all your answers!