Rigondeaux
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odiousgambit
July 1st, 2019 at 6:57:28 PM permalink
If the goal is to make it the best instance of the night, I would just do that. The biggest hand to lose a pot at showdown for the night wins the pool.

The strategy would change. For me, it would be for the worse, but others might like it.

Mainly, if you would be in contention for the pool, now you just pay off when you suspect you are beat. e.g. you have a 7 high flush and face a check raise on the river. So it takes some of the pressure off in these scenarios.

You'd also decrease the incentive to bluff in these scenarios. Granted, you aren't often trying to bluff someone off a flush, but maybe a weak flush is a part of the range you think they could fold.

Hands with certain boards would change a lot. Let's say there are trips on the board. Bluffing now becomes almost impossible if the FH would qualify.

However, there would be a fun dynamic. You'd better know what the existing bad beat is when making these decisions. You also have to judge if your hand is strong enough to win bad beat by the end of the night.

Lets say the board has four spades and you hold the king and face some heat. Or a queen even. Is it worth calling to chase the BBJP?

The person holding the ace can also factor this in when deciding how much to bet. You could put people in a really tough spot, where they aren't sure if it's worth calling. Or you could make a huge overbet as a bluff that says "i know you want to call because of the BBJP, but it's going to cost you."

It would also be fun watching people take bad beats on their bad beats.
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July 2nd, 2019 at 3:34:38 AM permalink
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It's a piker thing, you wouldn't understand?



I play poker A LOT, I may even play more poker on here than 95% of the people. I understand.


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But it's not there at this game. Believe it or not, one adjusts to this, or I should say a guy *can* adjust to it. A lot of things are missing, though, in particular there's not enough pain to prevent people calling your hands too frequently ... I could go on.



yes this is the problem with low stakes. There is no pain to make the call. People are going to play K 10 in a .10/.25 game but in a 2/5 game they probably are not. People are going to call you down to the end with 4th flush in a .10/.25 game for $5 but in a 2/5 game for $350 they are not. I don't think there is any way to manufacture the pain in a low stakes game. You just have to take it for what it is worth and if you want the satisfaction at the end of the night of winning then you just have to adjust your style. Play tight aggressive and you will take their money.
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odiousgambit
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July 2nd, 2019 at 6:15:05 AM permalink
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Play tight aggressive and you will take their money.

tight is the right way to play against loose, I agree. In our game the ante is too low vis a vis the betting, so this is doubly true there.

However, you can't play so tight you get a reputation for only playing with dynamite hands, folding too soon all the time, or you won't make any money that way either. But if you see that has happened start bluffing and it should be self correcting with perhaps a profitable interlude.
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July 2nd, 2019 at 9:48:09 AM permalink
Maybe the right strategy for your bad beat bonus would be to reward the highest hand that is beat during the first hour or two hours of the tournament. Must go to showdown. Each table would keep track of their highest hand beat and the victim (you may need to reward before tables merge.)
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July 2nd, 2019 at 10:16:51 AM permalink
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Maybe the right strategy for your bad beat bonus would be to reward the highest hand that is beat during the first hour or two hours of the tournament.

somehow I have created a vision of some underground operation taking in the big bucks and on the law's radar or something. This is just a monthly get together of a small-stakes friendly game with no rake.
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Must go to showdown.

definitely, see below
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Each table would keep track of their highest hand beat and the victim (you may need to reward before tables merge.)

Just one table is all we have ever had and sometimes a no-show will push the limits on how few you really want to play with [5 for us pretty much]. BTW it's dealer's choice and no one has ever called texas holdem on their turn.

I think the idea of a bad beat pool will be received well, we'll see and I'll report back.

From the helpful conversation here I can see I'll need to state:

*no wild card games
*I'll keep a note on a notepad for a qualifier
*pool gets won or money back by the end of the game
*must go to showdown
*to qualify must be at least a beaten flush which is not an instant winner, but...
*this will be trumped by the next higher beaten hand, with the expectation that a knocked off full house will trump it, and a higher beaten full house etc. still able to trump
*if everyone wants one for the [less frequent] wild card games there can be another pool
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July 2nd, 2019 at 10:36:18 AM permalink
I wouldn't offer the bad beat jackpot for wild card games, as you will have a situation where a player can table his wild hand as a loser (e.g. four of a kind including a wild tabled as a full house) just to claim the jackpot.

Since it's dealer's choice, what about lowball bad beats?

Otherwise, sounds fun. Let us know how it goes.
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odiousgambit
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July 16th, 2019 at 12:24:03 PM permalink
The game got postponed a week, so I just now can say how it went over, and I'd say pretty well with good chances that we will do it again each month.

Some players had never heard of it, others couldn't quite let it sink in that it was not an instant winner contest until they could see it was clearly not, then the veil lifted.

Certainly the beneficiary will advocate it again! An ace high flush was beaten by another ace high flush, the next cards being a King versus a 10.
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July 16th, 2019 at 12:39:19 PM permalink
did you have rules with both hole cards or anything? How much was the winning pot
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July 16th, 2019 at 1:47:07 PM permalink
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did you have rules with both hole cards or anything?

not sure what you mean?

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How much was the winning pot

about a medium to large typical pot for a hand. Low stakes mind you, so I am avoiding answering that directly; I'd have to lie if you pressed me on it LOL
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July 16th, 2019 at 3:38:49 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

not sure what you mean?



Did the qualifying hand have to use both of their hole cards to form the high hand, or would a hand using only one hole card, or playing the board have counted as well?

Quote: odiousgambit

about a medium to large typical pot for a hand. Low stakes mind you, so I am avoiding answering that directly; I'd have to lie if you pressed me on it LOL



De-Classified Translation: $9 hehe...
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