Total Rewards ADT Questions

I just recently obtained diamond status (Youre welcome CET!) and was wondering about ADT stuff.

I found out about ADT AFTER already donking off $20k. Wish I had known it sooner.

I have a lot of offers that I do utilize but I also play during these offers. Typically I play every night that I'm there. Usually I play pretty big anywhere from $100/$150 average bet. From what I've been reading however, I'd like to figure out the BEST way to increase my level of offers.

So with that being said here are my questions:

Is it a terrible idea to book a stay and NOT play at all and not "redeem an offer" such as a free GC or free play? Because I have a ton of free rooms that I book but usually they have a free offer attached, whether its free play, free tournament, or free item/GC.

The reason Ive been thinking about NOT playing is in effort to increase my ADT from previous visits. The only hurdle I run into is the upcoming trip I have planned is for the free Poker Tournament.. in which I think it'll count towards a day of actual play, if im not mistaken.

What do you guys think? What is the best way to increase my ADT?

Thanks much!

Just staying there on a comped room will count against your adt

Quote: GWAE

Just staying there on a comped room will count against your adt

Not necessarily. It depends on the property.

Most properties i know dont count it although repeated use without play may have all the offers voided

Waiting for ADT to clear now is too much too late. You might as well grab what u can and call it a loss

Learn (if you don't already know) how to judge your bet level and always ask what they have you rated at for the session (time and average bet). If they say $100 and you are pretty sure it was in the $150 range, ask nicely if they will adjust it. They don't have to and they do rate people all the time.

Take breaks in your play. Most people will say that leaving the table for a few minutes every hour or two will not stop the timer on your play, so you'll get rated at whatever amount they have you at for the time you are gone. Some people will say shuffle time counts, so stay through the shuffle if that is an option.

Tipping is something that some people says helps. I don't know for sure that it does, but tossing in a few bucks for the dealers always seems to make them a bit nicer so I can see how it might help a little bit.

Some say open with a big bet, always buy in with cash or markers (not chips), etc. Again, I don't have proof that it helps and I am usually risk adverse to opening with a big bet or that there is a difference in how they see things if you buy in a specific way.

Don't be a jackass. That is common sense. I don't know if it helps, but I hate playing next to jackasses!

Don't play for comps. You can buy whatever you want for less than you lose in most cases.

The properties im interested in are pretty much Flamingo, Linq, and possibly Ceasars.

And im going back for sure in early October I just want to best maximize my ADT while im there.

Generally, at CET properties booking any offer or hotels rooms counts as a visit so it will effect your ADT because they know you are there.

Quote: waznboi03

The properties im interested in are pretty much Flamingo, Linq, and possibly Ceasars.

And im going back for sure in early October I just want to best maximize my ADT while im there.

Im gonna lay it out for u real clear

You lost a lot of money without paying attention to ADT

I doubt you kept your ADT high. If you gambled $10k till 3am and then grabbed a quick $500 coinin before your bus the next day you screwed yourself

That typenof activity wont come off your ADT until 6 months to 13 months depending on market/property

Waiting to take your offers does NOT raise your ADT. If you are waiting for earlier ADT to erase all youbare doing is waiting for gambling you did to be eliminated from what you get credited

The example above. In 6-13 months you will raise your ADT by having both the $10k night and the next $500 day disappear.

Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Waiting till October is meaningless. Wait till next year and consider your $20k loss a total writeoff or grab what they give you now and start over next year

Im not sure exactly what you are saying. I think you misunderstood me. I AM going to vegas in october purposefully for the free poker tournament. So keeping that in mind, my questions revolve around helping my theo or not affecting it at all during this trip and whether or not this is even possible.

Some people have said that free hotel stays count as a "play" day, some said they dont. Also, the free poker tournament probably counts.

So thats where the discrepancy lies. If I can help my status at all during this trip, id like the best knowledge of how to.

Quote: waznboi03

Im not sure exactly what you are saying. I think you misunderstood me. I AM going to vegas in october purposefully for the free poker tournament. So keeping that in mind, my questions revolve around helping my theo or not affecting it at all during this trip and whether or not this is even possible.

Some people have said that free hotel stays count as a "play" day, some said they dont. Also, the free poker tournament probably counts.

So thats where the discrepancy lies. If I can help my status at all during this trip, id like the best knowledge of how to.

Okay so important question

Is your theo high as of this moment?

If its low (and since you stated you didnt even know about it while dropping 20K it probably is low) then there is no point in worrying about maintenance

What type of offers are you getting right now?

Repairing ADT is much more expensive than maintaining ADT

The concensus on here seems to be CET will trip you if you do a free hotel

I seriously doubt anyone actually conducted a scientific test to determine that

Most properties other than CET dont trip you out altho as i stated they may giv you a black mark for taking offers. That is not the same as affecting theo

If you check into Ballys but only play at ceasars is your theo hurt or helped?

Most people on here probably cant answer that so be wary of the answers you get here

Well my offers are all 5 nights free, $300 Amazon GCS/Macys GCS, $300-$500 free play, free tournaments, free laughlin flight, Cruise, Etc. I have all the available offers probably available to the most regulars of players.

As far as my Theo goes, its probably around what I normally play at. Minimum $100 or so. I cant imagine its much lower because even when i start at $25 tables, I always make sure the floor rates me higher at blackchip minimums. can i ask my host what my theo is?

Also, I work in the industry as a dealer, but in a california casino where we have no comp system. I worked at an indian casino for 3 years where I already knew about average bet per hour and tracking your average bet, but the Theo stuff is new to me.

I am kind of curious if my offers have the potential to go WAY up like $1k free play with my style of play if I were to "repair" or even try to do some maintaining.

Also, this is pretty off topic and may have been discussed before, but my friend and I were contemplating grinding Bacc or craps in a full game playing against each other after pooling our resources. At bacc, the max we would lose is 5% of whatever total we decide to wager (less with more Player wins) and I feel like this would be a VERY cost effective way to grind however many hours we want to both gain TCs and Offers. With Craps, its a bit different as whoever is playing the Dont would have to bet 3% of his base bet on hard 12 every come out roll to cover the potential push. So craps is a guranteed 3% loss between the two of us.

Quote: waznboi03

Well my offers are all 5 nights free, $300 Amazon GCS/Macys GCS, $300-$500 free play, free tournaments, free laughlin flight, Cruise, Etc. I have all the available offers probably available to the most regulars of players.

As far as my Theo goes, its probably around what I normally play at. Minimum $100 or so. I cant imagine its much lower because even when i start at $25 tables, I always make sure the floor rates me higher at blackchip minimums. can i ask my host what my theo is?

Also, I work in the industry as a dealer, but in a california casino where we have no comp system. I worked at an indian casino for 3 years where I already knew about average bet per hour and tracking your average bet, but the Theo stuff is new to me.

I am kind of curious if my offers have the potential to go WAY up like $1k free play with my style of play if I were to "repair" or even try to do some maintaining.

Also, this is pretty off topic and may have been discussed before, but my friend and I were contemplating grinding Bacc or craps in a full game playing against each other after pooling our resources. At bacc, the max we would lose is 5% of whatever total we decide to wager (less with more Player wins) and I feel like this would be a VERY cost effective way to grind however many hours we want to both gain TCs and Offers. With Craps, its a bit different as whoever is playing the Dont would have to bet 3% of his base bet on hard 12 every come out roll to cover the potential push. So craps is a guranteed 3% loss between the two of us.

All casinos havr caps on how high their freeplay offers can be

For the AC market the answer is no. You will not get $1000 a day fp. And there is nothing to repair from your description

I will defer to my vegas compatriots about market fp caps over there

Quote: waznboi03

I have a lot of offers that I do utilize but I also play during these offers. Typically I play every night that I'm there. Usually I play pretty big anywhere from $100/$150 average bet. From what I've been reading however, I'd like to figure out the BEST way to increase my level of offers.

Is $100/hand considered good play for low- to mid-tier CET properties?

I'm thinking of joining the black chip club soon... I usually play 6-8 hours a day, at least.

Quote: TigerWu

Is $100/hand considered good play for low- to mid-tier CET properties?

I'm thinking of joining the black chip club soon... I usually play 6-8 hours a day, at least.

My recorded play is craps at 100-250 per hour (I press a lot, this does not count odds) for 6-8 hours per comped day. If Caesar's has a way to rate craps play, mine would be at the highest skill level (even numbers and max odds). I have rooms at every casino 7 days a week sans Cromwell on the weekends... Which my host could make happen. This includes free play and backend comps. I presume any table play aside from blackjack would qualify for the same.

To OP: No playing while on a comped stay is a way to piss them off. ADT is hard to game in my experience. It rewards people who play there on vacation and punishes locals (while their card program rewards locals). Just make sure to only stay and play with them when you know you'll be putting in good play. Sorry for something so simple, but it's the rule I follow. If I stay at an MGM casino, I will not step food into a Caesar's one.