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Paigowdan
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October 4th, 2010 at 9:03:46 AM permalink
Here's one of my dealer's pet peeves:
A player who repeatedly says, "I would like to tip you, - but I gotta win first to do so!!!"
They tell you this as if you have control of whether they win, so that they can try to manipulate you into give them winners, - as if you somehow can.

First response:
"Sir - you may tip if you want to. But I don't decide whether or not you win...."

Second response:
"Sir, if you would like to tip me, then you would tip me. Believe me, if I could stack the deck for you, then we could start a business..."

Third response:
"Sir, tipping is like sex...there are those who DO it, and there are those to just TALK ABOUT doing it. Again, tip when you want to..."

Fourth "desired" response that I never say:
"Sir, please do not tell me that you'd like to tip when you don't do so. It's bad enough that I SEE that you are cheap, so I do not need to HEAR it, too!"

I do thank for every tip made, but...some people expect dealers to jump up and pump out winners at the site of a player waving a dollar, saying - "come 'on Puppy - jump for me!" It got to the Third response level last night (yes, a full table playing, with the player right next to his wife who LAUGHED OUT LOUD at the comment, and tipped a nickle. Nice to see his wife does it...)
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MathExtremist
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October 4th, 2010 at 9:09:26 AM permalink
I've gotten in the habit (at least sometimes) of putting a buck on my pass line odds when the point is 4 or 10. This is more effective when it's a come point vs. a pass point, since I actually have to put the chip out on the felt for the dealers to set up and announce the bet (which lets other players hear what's happening).

Not for nothing, at one point last week I had a 10 working on the come. The dealer had just set up my odds, and I threw a $1 chip toward it and said "dealer odds on the 10". The chip bounced once and landed in precisely the correct spot on top of my odds to indicate it was a dealer bet - just off to the right on top of my stack. Best shot of my life. I couldn't do that again if I tried. Best of all, the 10 came a few rolls later.
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Paigowdan
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October 4th, 2010 at 9:15:23 AM permalink
Stacy,
good to hear. Tipping the pass line on the come out allows the dealers to say, "Dealers on the line!" - a little reminder that we depend on the kindness of strangers.
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Wizard
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October 4th, 2010 at 9:48:26 AM permalink
I tip without comment. I prefer to tip after a blackjack, hot roll, or nice win in whatever game I'm playing. It just looks more natural. I think it also sets up a mentality that my tips are correlated to winning, so if I start losing, maybe less will be expected of me.

Quote: MathExtremist

I've gotten in the habit (at least sometimes) of putting a buck on my pass line odds when the point is 4 or 10.



You didn't specify if you already had a full odds bet for yourself. If you did, are you allowed to put an extra bet on the odds if it is a tip?
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MathExtremist
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October 4th, 2010 at 10:28:48 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You didn't specify if you already had a full odds bet for yourself. If you did, are you allowed to put an extra bet on the odds if it is a tip?



I asked this very question to a casino manager last week. He said that if I wanted to toke the dealers $3000 as an odds bet, he wouldn't stop me, though I'm not sure if push came to shove whether that bet would actually be booked. Later in the week, I was playing at a $5/3,4,5x table and did successfully put $1 on my $15 odds on a 4. However, I hazily recall a game in the distant past where I was prevented from making a dealer odds bet because I already had full odds, so this may be a case-by-case situation. I would hope that most casinos would allow toking on top of full odds.
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Paigowdan
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October 4th, 2010 at 10:51:02 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

IHowever, I hazily recall a game in the distant past where I was prevented from making a dealer odds bet because I already had full odds, so this may be a case-by-case situation. I would hope that most casinos would allow toking on top of full odds.



Actually, if the dealers' pass line bet is next to your bet, their odds are separate. Generally what I do is have a dollar PL bet with a nickle odds for the dealer.
On a crap table, there are three crap dealers, and if the boxman WERE to announce, "Naa- ya can't bet odds for the dealers," he'd have three more enemies who would not cover his back at work. [Maybe this is why they say: "On the Floor - out the door!"] Even if it were the case because of player control tips that ride on players bets, the boxman could then always say, "Set the bet up as a dealers' place bet on the point!" - which you can always do.

There are countless boxmen and floormen who wouldn't lift a finger to help an employee who wasn't buddy-buddy with them.
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Croupier
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October 4th, 2010 at 11:10:16 AM permalink
There is no opotion for my tipping style, which depends very much on how much I am enjoying myself. A couple of recent examples.

I sat down at O'Sheas to kill some time playing Casino War. I bought in for $50, at the $5 table. The dealer was really nice, chatty and friendly. I ended up winning a bit, and started tipping. The dealer seemed surprised when placing tip bets for him, and was very gracious about thanking me for it every time. I ended up winning a little bit, before going on a losing tear, Martingaling for about 4 hands and losing each time. I then asked the dealer if he was keeping track of my tips, and how much it was. he said it was around $50 he dropped as tipped, and I had placed around $75 in tip bets. Net result for me - minus$50. Net result for the dealer, $50 in tips. I would rather have my money going to the dealers than the casino, which in this case it did.

Another was playing craps at the Excalibur. My wife and I jumped on with $50 each, and played a bit. When we colored up we were up $75 between us. (me $15, the wife $10). The dice crew were great with us, me a semi novice and my wife a complete novice, so we threw in the reds totalling $25. The crew again were gracious and thanked us warmly. I hope this encouraged others to do the same.

As long as the dealer is good with us, I'll tip even if I'm losing. I dont penalise dealers with good customers service skills for the variance not being it my favour at the time. Maybe this is a subconcious way of rewarding myself for good work.
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teddys
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October 4th, 2010 at 11:16:37 AM permalink
I generally follow the Wizard's method of tipping. I am by no means a "George," or a big tipper, but I tip fairly consistently. I like to tip when I'm winning or the dealer is especially friendly. Sometimes in blackjack I will tip if I get an extraordinary hand, like the other day when I split to two hands of ten and the dealer dealt me aces both times on the double-downs. That got a $2.50 cheque from a BJ payout. Also, if I am at a table with big tippers, I won't tip, since I figure I will look cheap by comparison and the dealers are already getting their tokes. If I am losing badly, I usually won't tip because I am in a bad mood, and unless the dealer is really good and cheers me up, they won't get a toke unfortunately. I also prefer hand-in rather than dealer bets, because you feel like a doof if you tip during the game and then walk away busted. The exception I would make is for craps where I like to make a line bet or a field bet for the dealers occasionally.
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Nareed
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October 4th, 2010 at 1:04:20 PM permalink
I nearly always tip.

If the dealer is actively unpleasant, I won't tip.

If he just does his job and nothing more, I'll tip him an average hand per hour (in my case that means between $5 and $10). I rarely play more than 90 minutes at a time, unless I hit a hot streak.

If he's nice or I win decently (I never win big), I'll tip double.

I don't make a big deal about it. I just slide the chip(s) tot he dealer and say "this is for you." At the Rapid Craps table I'd tipped using the screen, but when I cashed out up a little, I very loudly said "for the dealers" and threw in a red chip.

I also always tip the cocktail waitress $1 per drink ordered.

BTW I don't bet the dealer's tip. I've thought about it, but every time it feels to me like I'm playing with someone else's money. No dealer has asked me to make a bet for him as a tip, they all just take the chips I give them. But if one were to do ask, then I'd place the bet.
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October 4th, 2010 at 1:15:25 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed



I also always tip the cocktail waitress $1 per drink ordered.



I tend to tip a buck for a bottle or pint, but if I'm settling in for a while I'll tip $2 or $5 for the first drink, especially if I'm having spirits. It's still cheaper than the pub...

I tend to tip regardless of how well I'm doing, a dollar every 10-15 minutes, or a pass line bet with some odds when the dice come around to me.

In poker I tip a buck every down, no matter how well I do. I hardly ever tip out of the pots I win, unless it's a monster then I may tip an extra dollar. Dealers get the same that way, and it's for the service, not how I'm playing. This bugs other players and some dealers. I don't care too much, at $2 an hour on a full table, dealer will be making $20/hour if everyone tipped like me. If $20/hour isn't a fair wage for dealing in a casino, someone better let me know.
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