Twix
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September 25th, 2010 at 11:09:19 PM permalink
Basically I have 1k USD I can spend but I can only play in casinos at San Diego because I don't want to drive all the way to Vegas. I'm fully prepared to lose 1k but I was wondering which game offered the best possible odds of turning 1k into 5k . I was thinking of playing craps and placing $500 on pass line and $250 on 6,8. Or just shove all in baccarat? Unless there are any other table games that are better?
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September 26th, 2010 at 12:01:22 AM permalink
First you must learn NOT to lose $1, 000 before winning $1, 000.



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September 26th, 2010 at 1:05:48 AM permalink
>I have 1k but can only play in San Diego because I don't want to drive all the way to Vegas.
Okay. Its not that long a drive though.

>I'm fully prepared to lose 1k
Good, but lets hope that you don't lose it or at least don't lose it unwisely.
>I was wondering which game offered the best possible odds of turning 1k into 5k.
Gee, its close. There is one casino there with very good BlackJack odds. There is Card Craps and there is Baccarat.
>I was thinking of playing craps and placing $500 on pass line and $250 on 6,8.
That is possible but then you would have nothing left for an odds bet which would reduce your overall 1.414 percent down to about 0.6 percent.
>Or just shove all in baccarat?
That is even simpler though do remember that if you win, you must reserve that Commission if you bet on Banker, which is the mathematically optimal bet.
>Unless there are any other table games that are better?
No. There are not.

BJ would require you to play a few hands and make some decisions since if you won its either a 1:1 payoff or a 3:2 payoff.
Baccarat could be done on one hand if you lost, but on three if you won each time.
Craps could be one roll if you were lucky.

Do you have ANY concern for extending your time at the table rather than having the mathematically optimal: House Edge operates against you only ONCE? Do you have a knowledge of Basic Strategy at Blackjack? If not, do not play it, although it is indeed possible to simply ask the dealer to deal Basic Strategy.

I know this doesn't really answer your question but it really does depend on what your preferences are. Is any game particularly fun for you? Do you want to have fun? If it is solely to be ONE "toss of the coin" so to speak, Baccarat is probably best. Walk up, buy in, put it ALL on Banker, ... and see what happens with that very next hand.

Good luck.
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September 26th, 2010 at 2:27:57 AM permalink
Quote: Twix

Basically I have 1k USD I can spend but I can only play in casinos at San Diego because I don't want to drive all the way to Vegas. I'm fully prepared to lose 1k but I was wondering which game offered the best possible odds of turning 1k into 5k . I was thinking of playing craps and placing $500 on pass line and $250 on 6,8. Or just shove all in baccarat? Unless there are any other table games that are better?



I doesn't seem like you have more than 5 minutes to gamble. You are willing to shove your entire bankroll on the banker for baccarat. All I can say is good luck! In all fairness, if you want to win big you have to bet big. All you need to do is be lucky from the get go.
Like they say in the marijuana industry "Sometimes you gotta roll your own!" (At the craps table that is)
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September 26th, 2010 at 3:29:04 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


Do you have ANY concern for extending your time at the table rather than having the mathematically optimal: House Edge operates against you only ONCE? Do you have a knowledge of Basic Strategy at Blackjack? If not, do not play it, although it is indeed possible to simply ask the dealer to deal Basic Strategy.

I know this doesn't really answer your question but it really does depend on what your preferences are. Is any game particularly fun for you? Do you want to have fun? If it is solely to be ONE "toss of the coin" so to speak, Baccarat is probably best. Walk up, buy in, put it ALL on Banker, ... and see what happens with that very next hand.

Good luck.



I don't have any time constraints and I don't mind if I'm at the casino for 15 mins or 6 hours (I'm somewhat used to the grind since I used to play a lot of online texas holdem) and I also live fairly closeby.

I memorized the general strategy for blackjack (based on the wizard of odds chart), but my counting skills are horrible. I enjoy playing pai gow, craps, and blackjack but I don't think I'm a skilled enough player to survive the grind/fluctuations for blackjack.

Anyways, thanks a lot for the advice! GL to you too!


Quote: I808

I doesn't seem like you have more than 5 minutes to gamble. You are willing to shove your entire bankroll on the banker for baccarat. All I can say is good luck! In all fairness, if you want to win big you have to bet big. All you need to do is be lucky from the get go.



Thank you! GL to you too!
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September 26th, 2010 at 3:35:38 AM permalink
There are 2 separate questions. what game.. and what betting strategy.. Since you have a clearly defined endpoint... a win of $4000.... then picking a game such as BJ would not be your best choice to 'hit and run', as there are many times due to enhanced payouts for doubling or splitting that you would go over the win amount. Those enhanced win amounts are possible due to the overall higher chance of losing any given hand. Also, you would always need to have money to split or double, or else you are giving the house a bigger edge (if you are betting your 'last' 1000, and you thus cant split aces, for example). It seems like you already realize that trying to grind out a win over many smaller bets is not the best strategy. Bet it all on a low house edge game and double up. When (if) you get to enough to make 5k on the next action, bet the minimum to get there in case you lose, then you can start again. By the way, what is your motivation for this?
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September 26th, 2010 at 6:11:48 AM permalink
I would play the single-deck blackjack game at the Barona.
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September 26th, 2010 at 7:51:25 AM permalink
10 plays in a $100 slot machine ought to take care of that $1000. And you might win $5000 (or not).
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September 26th, 2010 at 8:04:11 AM permalink
If you plan on making 1 or 2 bets only, 1000 on the Field in craps .... who knows you might hit the 2:1 or 3:1 on the 2 or 12. Parlay it baby!

Or you can do like Mosca and pick a high dollar slot machine and bet max? Or do a 100 hand video poker machine at max $ bet.

Wouldn't you want to prolong every bit of that $1000 while your there and maximize gaming time and comps? It would hurt to lose $1k just outright. But then again if money is no consideration, why even care about the lowest HA games right?
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September 26th, 2010 at 8:24:03 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

10 plays in a $100 slot machine ought to take care of that $1000.

Yes. It ought to take care of the casino's lighting bill for a week too. And at any slot machine, the edge is simply going to be very high.

Even that guy from the UK who walked in and bet his entire life's savings at a casino did so at roulette so as to have a 5.26 edge against him rather than doing something like that a slot machine.
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September 26th, 2010 at 9:28:34 AM permalink
If you are going to play in San Diego you can take craps out of consideration. Or does California have craps now?
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September 26th, 2010 at 10:21:22 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Even that guy from the UK who walked in and bet his entire life's savings at a casino did so at roulette so as to have a 5.26 edge against him rather than doing something like that a slot machine.



Most high-denom slot machines have a significantly lower edge than 5.26%. In fact, the Nevada revenue report shows that on average, slot machines denominated $1 and higher realized a lower edge over the past year than double-zero roulette. See http://gaming.nv.gov/documents/pdf/1g_10jul.pdf

Don't forget about the play rate. You get maybe 45 spins/hour on roulette. On slots, it's easily 10x that, so the edge doesn't need to be nearly as high to earn the same amount.
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September 26th, 2010 at 10:26:05 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Yes. It ought to take care of the casino's lighting bill for a week too. And at any slot machine, the edge is simply going to be very high.

Even that guy from the UK who walked in and bet his entire life's savings at a casino did so at roulette so as to have a 5.26 edge against him rather than doing something like that a slot machine.



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September 26th, 2010 at 4:21:49 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

By the way, what is your motivation for this?


I'm just interested to see what would happen.

Quote: Asswhoopermcdaddy


Wouldn't you want to prolong every bit of that $1000 while your there and maximize gaming time and comps? It would hurt to lose $1k just outright. But then again if money is no consideration, why even care about the lowest HA games right?



I would prefer to win rather than lose but losing is expected if one goes to the casino.

Quote: BigTip

If you are going to play in San Diego you can take craps out of consideration. Or does California have craps now?



AFAIK, Sycuan has card variation of craps, where the card determine what the dice roll is. I heard Barona has card craps also but it's strictly cards like Morongo. Since the original craps is banned from California, not sure why though.


Also thank you everyone for the advice!
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September 27th, 2010 at 12:48:08 PM permalink
Quote: Twix

AFAIK, Sycuan has card variation of craps, where the card determine what the dice roll is. I heard Barona has card craps also but it's strictly cards like Morongo. Since the original craps is banned from California, not sure why though.



The state law, and compacts that give the Tribal casinos permission to operate stipulate that all table games must be, "card based". In other words the decisions on wagers have to be based on cards, rather than other mechanisms (the roulette ball, or the dice for craps). This has led to the creation of "card-craps" and "card-roulette" variants. If you are familiar with traditional versions of these games, especially craps, it is an odd experience to watch as the boxman turns over two cards then makes a call, "Seven Out!".
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October 21st, 2010 at 3:08:53 AM permalink
Not quite as bad but this one works too. Pick 6 numbers on the European Roulette wheel as adjacent rows. For this bet lets say its 10 to 15. Bet $850. With the other $150 bet on the zero. If 10-11-12-13-14-15 come up you win 4250 + keep the 850 for a total of 5100. If the ZERO comes up your 150 pays 5250 + the original 150. Of course on the Euro-Wheel there are 30 losers. GL & GG.

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October 21st, 2010 at 4:25:26 AM permalink
Not what you asked, but I'd make sure I had the casino's point card and start playing $25 dollar Deuces Wild (97% or therabouts) if they have it.

Two or three (or 4) things might happen.

You might have a run of good hands and decide you don't want to throw away that money you just made, and quit and go home with a nice profit.
You might hit 4 deuces before you go broke. (not too likely, but hey, you might even hit a royal (even less likely)
You might go broke.
You'll probably get the casinos attention -- they might decide to rebate you generously at home (the points card) thinking you're gonna drop big money on them. So, you get some return on that 1000.
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