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September 28th, 2016 at 6:31:49 AM permalink
I was wandering about the Global Gaming Expo today and came upon a a stand selling negative ion bracelets. According to the very pushy sales woman I spoke to they cured just about every malady you can think of. Wear one and you will have more energy, less pain, sleep better, as well as purify the body of toxins. As evidence of the miraculous benefit to your balance the saleswoman asked me to stand on one foot and hold out my arms. Then she pressed down on one and I found it difficult to maintain my balance as she did so. Then she asked me to hold the bracelet in my hand and pressed down on the same arm and I quite easily maintained my balance.

After this demonstration and her sales pitch I said I was still skeptical and wanted to do a little research first. It was the first day of a three-day show so I promised I would do some research and based on what I learned I might return the next day (today). The saleswoman said that they might not be at the booth tomorrow because they had a lot of shows to do. I remarked that they had to spend a lot of money to rent their space at the show and it would be incredible to just abandon it two of the three days. She said something to the effect that there were multiple conventions in town that week and they wanted to reach as large an audience as possible. Then she added that if I bought one day she would lower the price from $300 to $99 and the offer would not be made the next day.

Oh, I forgot to mention that during her sales pitch some guy walked by swearing that his bracelet changed his life and he wears it all the time, except when flying because they set off metal detectors.

Based on some quick searching these things seem to be a scam. However, I'd be interested in your take.

The question for the poll is what is your take on negative ion bracelets?
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September 28th, 2016 at 7:01:25 AM permalink
They're 100% a scam. There's plenty of studies done that show they literally do nothing for you and they're a scam sell for a "cure all." One of my buddies bought one of these YEARS ago, like 5-10 years ago, and so I shoved him over and laughed at him for not keeping his balance. He even thought it was a scam (even after wearing it for a while) but he got it for free so he didn't care.

The whole "push-over" test was found to be nothing more than confirmation bias. If I tell you you'll fall easily, you'll want to "go along" with it. Then I tell you to hold your ground and you'll again want to "go along" with it.
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September 28th, 2016 at 7:29:37 AM permalink
Here is a news story from Australia on this balance test.



I think I'm going to see if I can fool people with it. All I need is a piece of jewelry to serve as the placebo.
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September 28th, 2016 at 7:49:19 AM permalink
Lots of news shows have done stories and lots of medical people have reviewed. It's a scam.

Kind of like pulling all the toxins out through the bottom of your feet. The demo looks convincing, but it's snake oil sales.


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September 28th, 2016 at 8:29:59 AM permalink
I just hope Mike didn't buy one......


Mike, if you bought one, please do not confirm.




On an unrelated note, if anyone is interested, I have some magic rocks for sale, only $100/rock (Mike I'll give you a discount, $50/rock if you buy at least 20). Time is running and I'm running low on these magic rocks. I'm also selling invisible AND weightless rocks, only $200/ea ($100/ea for you Mike w/ minimum purchase of 20). Buy a starter pack today to find out what they do, includes 4 magic rocks and 4 invisible+weightless rocks, valued at $1,200, it can be yours for 3 easy payments of $500. Price includes shipping & handling.
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September 28th, 2016 at 9:30:36 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I'm also selling invisible AND weightless rocks, only $200/ea ($100/ea for you Mike w/ minimum purchase of 20).



I might be interested, could you please post some pictures of them.
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September 28th, 2016 at 9:46:42 AM permalink
The short take is that however beneficial negative ions may be (and there's some evidence that an immediate atmosphere containing an excess of them may be beneficial), a piece of metal, of whatever composition, does not emit them in any significant amount.

I've seen people selling these in many, many places, and they usually use some kind of pseudoscientific catch-phrase to connote what they're supposed to do. Your thought process is supposed to be along the lines of, "yeah, I've heard somewhere that _______ are good for you." In the case you saw, it was "negative ions," but I've also seen things like "Interrupts the negative force field that tries to disrupt your internal organs" and "Prevents damage from terrestrial microwaves." I'm sure if I wait long enough, I'll see, "Intercepts mind control rays being beamed at us from the Planet Zebulark Five."

I have an otherwise very intelligent friend who believes this sort of nonsense, and it breaks my heart to see her spending money on it.
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September 28th, 2016 at 9:49:34 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The saleswoman said that they might not be at the booth tomorrow because they had a lot of shows to do. I remarked that they had to spend a lot of money to rent their space at the show and it would be incredible to just abandon it two of the three days. She said something to the effect that there were multiple conventions in town that week and they wanted to reach as large an audience as possible.

Total used-car salesman "ticking clock" move.

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Then she added that if I bought one day she would lower the price from $300 to $99 and the offer would not be made the next day.

I'll bet that if you offer her $99 today, she'll be more than happy to sell at that price. That is, **cough** if their booth is still there today **wink**!

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Oh, I forgot to mention that during her sales pitch some guy walked by swearing that his bracelet changed his life and he wears it all the time, except when flying because they set off metal detectors.

You should have pushed down on his arm to see if he would fall over! :) I wonder if you were to watch the booth, how often the same guy would happen to walk by, giving his "unsolicited" praise of the product.

I have not researched the bracelet itself, but the sales tactics you describe peg my "ripoff-o-meter."
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September 28th, 2016 at 9:49:53 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I might be interested, could you please post some pictures of them.



Do you not believe me? How welcoming of me. I'm here trying to HELP YOU OUT and you come here and attack me? Enough with the attacks! They are real and work. Just for you, $10/ea if you buy 200.
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September 28th, 2016 at 10:26:53 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Do you not believe me? How welcoming of me. I'm here trying to HELP YOU OUT and you come here and attack me? Enough with the attacks! They are real and work. Just for you, $10/ea if you buy 200.



I'll take a bunch at that price if you could just send me a small sample in the mail first.


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September 28th, 2016 at 12:57:04 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I'll take a bunch at that price if you could just send me a small sample in the mail first.


ZCore13



I got one, and I immediately lost weight! (Strange how the amount of weight I lost was exactly equal to the weight of the money that used to be in my pocket).
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September 28th, 2016 at 1:40:11 PM permalink
Negative Ion bracelet on my left wrist, mood ring on my right index finger, and a Pet Rock to entertain me.

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September 28th, 2016 at 1:43:40 PM permalink
What happens if you wear like, 100 ion bracelets? Like your ankles, wrists, hold them, tape them to your body... After all in the demonstrations they show just touching them or having them on you makes them work.
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September 28th, 2016 at 2:43:31 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

What happens if you wear like, 100 ion bracelets? Like your ankles, wrists, hold them, tape them to your body... After all in the demonstrations they show just touching them or having them on you makes them work.



Might affect how well you swim. But maybe they protect you against drowning.
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September 28th, 2016 at 2:58:36 PM permalink
Total scam obviously, and she must have at least been a 7 to even enter the booth.
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September 28th, 2016 at 4:00:08 PM permalink
I was at the booth today, with Mike and Heather watching from a short distance.

I also failed (passed?) the push test, and it evoked a giggle session that made me feel like a school girl.

But I didn't fall for the sales pitch.
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September 28th, 2016 at 4:16:59 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



Based on some quick searching these things seem to be a scam. However, I'd be interested in your take.

The question for the poll is what is your take on negative ion bracelets?



They had them on "Shark Tank" once. Mark Cuban tore the hell out of the person pitching. I mean he was out in a second and refused to even try a sample.
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September 28th, 2016 at 4:20:12 PM permalink
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They had them on "Shark Tank" once. Mark Cuban tore the hell out of the person pitching. I mean he was out in a second and refused to even try a sample.



Funny, I see a strong similarity between negative ion bracelets and Donald Trump. Yet, you don't believe in negative ion bracelets?
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September 28th, 2016 at 4:24:40 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Funny, I see a strong similarity between negative ion bracelets and Donald Trump. Yet, you don't believe in negative ion bracelets?



Your statement is thread hijacking and IIRC against the TOS of this site. Blatantly rude on any site.
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September 28th, 2016 at 4:44:28 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I just hope Mike didn't buy one......


Mike, if you bought one, please do not confirm.



If he bought one, I'd happily go over there, and pretend I was interested and totally waste their time. My dislike of scams is actually a source of entertainment.

(well, if I still lived in Vegas and could get into the expo)
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September 28th, 2016 at 5:07:10 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Funny, I see a strong similarity between negative ion bracelets and Donald Trump. Yet, you don't believe in negative ion bracelets?



That's a really lame reply. For you to see any correlation shows a strange single mindedness focusing on Trump.


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September 28th, 2016 at 5:21:31 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

That's a really lame reply. For you to see any correlation shows a strange single mindedness focusing on Trump.


ZCore13



Not at all. Both don't do what their touts say they will, both are supposedly valuable but actually near-worthless, and both are based on scams. The parallels are obvious.
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September 28th, 2016 at 5:31:09 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Not at all. Both don't do what their touts say they will, both are supposedly valuable but actually near-worthless, and both are based on scams. The parallels are obvious.



The problem with that is, that one of them has been proven with scientific and medical facts and the other is your opinion. And the relationship, or non relationship of the two comma brought nothing to the topic or conversation.

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September 28th, 2016 at 5:33:13 PM permalink
It'd be great if we could not hijack threads especially when there are already 2 threads on the subject....................
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September 28th, 2016 at 7:23:55 PM permalink
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September 28th, 2016 at 7:38:12 PM permalink
DJ are you drinking again? This could end badly with him ending up talking about how he hates Christmas and his cats are his roommates and stuff.
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September 28th, 2016 at 9:29:44 PM permalink
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September 29th, 2016 at 1:09:59 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I just hope Mike didn't buy one......


Mike, if you bought one, please do not confirm.




On an unrelated note, if anyone is interested, I have some magic rocks for sale, only $100/rock (Mike I'll give you a discount, $50/rock if you buy at least 20). Time is running and I'm running low on these magic rocks. I'm also selling invisible AND weightless rocks, only $200/ea ($100/ea for you Mike w/ minimum purchase of 20). Buy a starter pack today to find out what they do, includes 4 magic rocks and 4 invisible+weightless rocks, valued at $1,200, it can be yours for 3 easy payments of $500. Price includes shipping & handling.



I have purchased many of these rocks and, I swear, they have changed my life!

The only time I don't have one with me is when I fly, because they set off metal detectors.
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September 29th, 2016 at 1:56:40 AM permalink
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They had them on "Shark Tank" once. Mark Cuban tore the hell out of the person pitching. I mean he was out in a second and refused to even try a sample.



I like Shark Tank so had to look this up. Here is a link to that segment.
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September 29th, 2016 at 2:41:27 AM permalink
Here you go, no need to wear a clunky bracelet, or that simpering sap's goofy looking watch:

Lady Love sanitary napkin uses negative ion protection

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“It enhances hormonal balance, improves metabolism, strengthens immunity, reduces stress, eliminates bacteria, treats inflammation, eradicates odour and removes fatigue,” Shawn highlighted.

(But nothing mentioned about whether the Cosmic Kotex keeps you from falling over like the magic bracelet & dippy watch.)
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September 29th, 2016 at 3:18:42 AM permalink
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September 29th, 2016 at 3:45:56 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I have purchased many of these rocks and, I swear, they have changed my life!

The only time I don't have one with me is when I fly, because they set off metal detectors.



I remember that episode. I found it hilarious.
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September 29th, 2016 at 3:52:31 AM permalink
I wonder if a system bettor is more likely to buy one than the average person?

They have been hawking them for years, especially in the malls(IIRC they ran $10-$20) I always assumed the people would push or pull you at a different angle or something like that when you had the bracelet on. Personally I think selling this crap should be illegal especially at $$60-$100, it's a con.

However I look at that old lady and she seems to be happy, empowered and energized because she believes. If a placebo works then maybe it has some value to some people and they should have at it. I guess I would be ok with it if there was a 1 year full money back no questions asked return policy.

If they are using different spots and pressure to push and pull in order to trick the people that's fraud IMO.
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September 29th, 2016 at 4:29:40 AM permalink
I don't think they're doing any kind of push/pulling/pressure-point-trickery with the tests. Just that when they first do it without a band on, they'll say "Watch, you're going to fall right over", and sure enough, you do. Then they put the band on you and say "Now you're gonna be strong and won't fall", and sure enough, stand strong. You do what you're told / placebo effect.

Interesting video heymrdj. Lol at the end when the guy was still trying to justify why he failed.
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September 29th, 2016 at 5:18:47 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I don't think they're doing any kind of push/pulling/pressure-point-trickery with the tests. Just that when they first do it without a band on, they'll say "Watch, you're going to fall right over", and sure enough, you do. Then they put the band on you and say "Now you're gonna be strong and won't fall", and sure enough, stand strong. You do what you're told / placebo effect.

Interesting video heymrdj. Lol at the end when the guy was still trying to justify why he failed.

Either way, they make false claims. I would think that violates some law, how is it that someone isn't suing them?
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September 29th, 2016 at 7:52:41 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

DJ are you drinking again? This could end badly with him ending up talking about how he hates Christmas and his cats are his roommates and stuff.



Whoosh, his "I like turtles" comment seems to have gone over your head.

It is a classic, viral non sequitur from 2007.

see: "I like turtles"
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September 29th, 2016 at 8:28:47 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Either way, they make false claims. I would think that violates some law, how is it that someone isn't suing them?



Because no one is stupid enough to admit in court that they bought one. Better to be out the cash privately than laughed at.
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September 29th, 2016 at 9:45:37 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Either way, they make false claims. I would think that violates some law, how is it that someone isn't suing them?

Because just like in the video above, they blanket themselves with "it works for ALMOST everyone, but not everyone!" So if it doesn't work for you, they just point to that part of their T's and C's and you have no recourse.

You'd have to get X amount of other people that were scammed and bring a class action suit against them (often individuals peddling these in malls/etc) where you'd sue them for not a lot then have to split it to (Not a Lot)/X.
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