Nareed
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October 24th, 2012 at 1:45:15 PM permalink
I've been a coffee addict for years. I like all the different kinds of drinks that coffee amkes possible. In particular those involving espresso.

I like to say that espresso is to coffee as gold is to metal: precious.

Lately the fad is Nestle's "Nespresso" machines. In short, I don't like them. What I don't like is that the coffee perforce must be purchased in two-cup capsules, which are the only way the machines work. This seems too expensive for me. Besides, I've tried several varieties and none are as good as the regular, mid-quality, quasi-generic espresso I get at the grocery store for use in my Krupps dual-use coffee maker. Never mind the higher quality grounds available here and there.

The Nespresso machine, it must be said, is very convenient. I make espresso seldom because it's rather a chore. But my machine cost me about $70 five years ago, and a pound bag of espresso grounds goes for $10 or so.

There are some beautifl, semi-pro, automated espresso machines. You put water in one side, whole roasted beans on the other, and the machine grinds the coffee and amkes either espresso or regular in minutes. best of all they're self-cleaning, removing the grounds when they're done (to a third bin). You clean them once a day by flushing them with water. Alas, they're expensive. the cheaper ones, without attachments for frothing milk, go for around $1,000 <sigh>

Any thoughts?
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October 24th, 2012 at 1:53:21 PM permalink
I suppose coffee drinkers could form their own religion. Would that make Juan Valdez their messiah?
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October 24th, 2012 at 1:54:39 PM permalink
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I suppose coffee drinkers could form their own religion.



That would be ridiculous. Coffee is its own religion.
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October 24th, 2012 at 1:55:24 PM permalink
There are many that cost less than $1000. I picked up a Saeco Odea at Costco last year for about $350 (it was on sale):
http://www.costco.com/Saeco-Odea-Giro-Plus-Automatic-Espresso-Machine.product.11762878.html?catalogId=10701&keyword=saeco+odea&langId=-1&storeId=10301
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October 24th, 2012 at 3:09:13 PM permalink
I love my Nespresso. I use it at my office and it saves me $$ as a sttarbucks is right across the street. The espresso pods come in sleeves of 10 for usually $6.00...you can only order them from Nespresso so I usually buy 8-10 sleeves at a time. They have great variety and all have a distinct "crem'e" (sp?). I don't make espresso drinks per say... I just fire up two pods add a splash of hot water and drink it black. The starbucks machine, the new one is very good as it has both coffee and froth pods..very bad ass if you like the traditional drinks. They wont have the variety of nespresso though.

For Regular Coffee I have the Technivorm Moccamaster it is simple and makes very good very hot coffee but you really need a good grinder like theirs that can make a fatter grind.

Coffee press is as close as you are going to get IMO if you don't buy a real espresso machine (and adjustable grinder) or a nespresso type device. Its all about creating the pressure as the water is forced through the grounds....don't buy cheap it wont be worth it unless you go old school- http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/bialetti-moka-express-9-cup-espresso-maker/?pkey=ccoffee-manual-espresso-machines
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October 24th, 2012 at 3:10:33 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

There are many that cost less than $1000. I picked up a Saeco Odea at Costco last year for about $350 (it was on sale):
http://www.costco.com/Saeco-Odea-Giro-Plus-Automatic-Espresso-Machine.product.11762878.html?catalogId=10701&keyword=saeco+odea&langId=-1&storeId=10301



Costco almost always sells high quality stuff. I would trust ME on that if you are looking for that type of machine.
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October 24th, 2012 at 3:10:33 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

There are many that cost less than $1000. I picked up a Saeco Odea at Costco last year for about $350 (it was on sale):
http://www.costco.com/Saeco-Odea-Giro-Plus-Automatic-Espresso-Machine.product.11762878.html?catalogId=10701&keyword=saeco+odea&langId=-1&storeId=10301



Costco almost always sells high quality stuff. I would trust ME on that if you are looking for that type of machine.
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October 24th, 2012 at 3:15:00 PM permalink
Here is the starbucks machine: http://www.williams-sonoma.com/shop/electrics/electrics-starbucks/?cm_type=lnav
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October 24th, 2012 at 3:22:30 PM permalink
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I just fire up two pods add a splash of hot water and drink it black.



If you're going to do that, you may as well just nuke generic cola ;)

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The starbucks machine,



Stop right there. Starbucks roasts its beans too far. All their coffee has a faint burnt taste to it


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Coffee press is as close as you are going to get IMO if you don't buy a real espresso machine



I've a real espresso machine. I'd pit my Krupps against any pro machine at any coffee house. The only drawback is you can only make two cups at a time (two cups of couble espresso, that is).

BTW, $6 for 10 capsules comes out to about $0.60 per cup of double espresso. That's highway robbery, even if it's cheaper than "high" end places like Starbucks. I've checked what the grocery store sells espresso grounds for and it comes to about $6.50 per pound, and that should be good for at least 75 coups of double, or about $0.08 per cup. More likely less per cup, as I'm sure one pound should yield 100+ cups of double.
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October 24th, 2012 at 3:36:57 PM permalink
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If you're going to do that, you may as well just nuke generic cola ;)



Stop right there. Starbucks roasts its beans too far. All their coffee has a faint burnt taste to it




I've a real espresso machine. I'd pit my Krupps against any pro machine at any coffee house. The only drawback is you can only make two cups at a time (two cups of couble espresso, that is).

BTW, $6 for 10 capsules comes out to about $0.60 per cup of double espresso. That's highway robbery, even if it's cheaper than "high" end places like Starbucks. I've checked what the grocery store sells espresso grounds for and it comes to about $6.50 per pound, and that should be good for at least 75 coups of double, or about $0.08 per cup. More likely less per cup, as I'm sure one pound should yield 100+ cups of double.



1. I like caffeine and enjoy the taste the same way I like scotch.... preferences vary and only drink hot coffee or espresso black.
2 .then dont fawn over a nespresso..your cheap but quality machine has drawbacks.
3. Price is only a consideration in the absence of value... and I dont want a big setup in my office so nespresso is great for me, the cost is insignificant.
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