Maverick17
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June 27th, 2011 at 12:45:46 PM permalink
Is there a place to go to get up-to-date info on the BJ rules at the Belterra, Grand Victoria, and Hollywood casinos in Indiana near Cincinnati?

Going down this weekend to watch some baseball and gamble, but want the best chance I can get in the area!
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June 27th, 2011 at 12:56:47 PM permalink
Best rules are at Grand Vic, in the high limit room with 6 decks, S17, RSA, and LS for a house edge of .28%. Minimums are $25. They have the good Spanish 21 game on the floor for a house edge of .40% with proper strategy. Minimum is $5. Every other table in Cinciana is H17; Hollywood has the worst games, Belterra the second worst.
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June 27th, 2011 at 3:08:37 PM permalink
thanks,

Do you know if the minimums go up on the weekends/busy times? I am a $25/$50 player, so I think I would end up at the high limit anyways based on your previous post.
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June 27th, 2011 at 3:31:30 PM permalink
Always $25 in the H.L. at GV, as far as I remember.
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June 27th, 2011 at 4:34:42 PM permalink
I agree that Grand Vic is your best bet. It's the least scenic of the three casinos but it has the best rules. Hollywood doesn't offer late surrender or rsa. Belterra doesn't offer ls but does have rsa.
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June 28th, 2011 at 8:13:41 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Best rules are at Grand Vic, in the high limit room with 6 decks, S17, RSA, and LS for a house edge of .28%. Minimums are $25. They have the good Spanish 21 game on the floor for a house edge of .40% with proper strategy. Minimum is $5. Every other table in S. Ind is H17; Hollywood has the worst games, Belterra the second worst.



I agree the GV is the best bet for Cincy-area gaming. Did HSI switch to H17 in their high limit room?
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June 28th, 2011 at 9:31:25 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I agree the GV is the best bet for Cincy-area gaming. Did HSI switch to H17 in their high limit room?

No, they are still S17 and LS in the high-limit room, but I don't think OP is driving all the way down there.
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June 28th, 2011 at 10:29:58 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

No, they are still S17 and LS in the high-limit room, but I don't think OP is driving all the way down there.



Agreed. But I am, and your comment scared me:-)
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June 28th, 2011 at 1:26:38 PM permalink
I agree the Grand Victoria is the best bet. Just there yesterday pretty liberal rules on the $5 tables and they give good enough penetration to allow you to count. Still lost $600 though..
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June 28th, 2011 at 1:29:25 PM permalink
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I agree the Grand Victoria is the best bet. Just there yesterday pretty liberal rules on the $5 tables and they give good enough penetration to allow you to count. Still lost $600 though..

What did you spread? Only casino in the country where I've tried counting seriously ...
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June 28th, 2011 at 1:57:48 PM permalink
I spread 5-200 haha. Table max was 500 and I probably could have gotten away with it but I just don't have the bankroll. Variance is a bitch and its pretty easy to drop a grand when your betting 200 even at +EV
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June 28th, 2011 at 2:32:47 PM permalink
I'm assuming HSI is the Horseshoe? and if so, that would be a little too far to drive.

I have never gambled in the great state of Indiana, but I hope to put a small dent in the education tax fund by winning!
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June 29th, 2011 at 7:36:15 PM permalink
Quote: darrenfromindy

I agree that Grand Vic is your best bet. It's the least scenic of the three casinos but it has the best rules. Hollywood doesn't offer late surrender or rsa. Belterra doesn't offer ls but does have rsa.



The last time I was at Belterra they did not allow RSA. However, they ADVERTISE that they S17, especially for those on the way to Horseshoe. I enjoy Horseshoe the best of the four, and I was talking with a dealer there. I guess the flooding earlier this year really took a hit on them (Horseshoe was the only one that had to close). I'm pretty sure most of their customers ventured up to Belterra, and since Horseshoe often has well-read players, they appreciate that rule. (Incidentally, Belterra does not charge the vig up front on BUY 4/10.)

I think that Horseshoe High Limit Double Deck is probably the second best option (outside GV high limit 6-deck). They S17, double on any two cards, no double after split, no RSA. $50 minimums most of the time, but I think I've seen 25 as well.

Hollywood has by far the worst options overall. Other than being a stunning casino (it's pretty amazing looking), the rules are really not player friendly on any game. They had BJ switch for a long time, but took it out to put some more bad tables in.
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July 6th, 2011 at 1:05:08 PM permalink
Thanks to all for the help.

The baseball was great watching the Tribe take both of the games I was in attendance.

As for the gambling... you probably should have reccommended a different casino if you wanted me to win!!
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