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DeMango
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July 9th, 2021 at 6:46:01 AM permalink
Somebody needs to play some craps and see how that works out!
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unJon
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:09:09 AM permalink
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Somebody needs to play some craps and see how that works out!

Fair chance I do that tomorrow. Will report back if I do.
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:11:38 AM permalink
Keep in mind that their most advanced electronic tracking is implemented at the Baccarat tables. When I walked around blackjack and roulette they said that electronic tracking of exact wagers is not done at those tables. Which would seem to contradict what Rick Hutchins said in the article about tracking "every double down."

But again, to know for sure you'd need to GO DOWN THERE and play.

Standing pat on some arm's length email that has already been proven wrong is not the way to go. At least at Baccarat, they are definitely tracking the player.
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:26:24 AM permalink
Added this to the small collection of chips I keep.


Once a dealer commented when saw a couple of the chips I retain, "Well, you'll always have money."

lol maybe yes, but a few hundred dollar chips - if I get down that low, I suppose I'll be in bad shape.

Then again, George Harrison I believe it was used to keep a twenty pound note in the heel of his shoe, which came in handy one night when the Beatles couldn't pay a restaurant tab because each one thought the other was going to pay and none had brought any cash.
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:27:10 AM permalink
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Keep in mind that their most advanced electronic tracking is implemented at the Baccarat tables. When I walked around blackjack and roulette they said that electronic tracking of exact wagers is not done at those tables. Which would seem to contradict what Rick Hutchins said in the article about tracking "every double down."

But again, to know for sure you'd need to GO DOWN THERE and play.

Standing pat on some arm's length email that has already been proven wrong is not the way to go. At least at Baccarat, they are definitely tracking the player.



You are missing the point, or you're ignoring it.

No one said the casino isnt tracking play at the table. The question is are they tracking you when you move your chips away from the table?

RW says they're not. But they are verifying chips at the cage.

Hi Alan,

Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:

We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables as well as verifying in the trays and at cashier during redemptions. We have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.

Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:34:57 AM permalink
Well, what does the phrase "track TO the player" mean? I believe, it refers to assigning a chip TO a player. They are definitely doing that at the tables. At least at the Baccarat tables.

And my research would seem to indicate, based on that I was able to cash the 900 in chips even while I had a marker outstanding, that the cage is not looking up the "status" (assignment) of the chip at the cage, otherwise they would have at least said something like, "You have a marker out but this is only $900. and I'll cash it for you." Instead, nothing, did not ask for my player card, just cashing them quickly, and no looking first at any computer screen or handheld terminal.

That whole email is contradictory, because if they don't track to the player, then how or what are they "verifying ... at cashier during redemptions"? which yes, during redemptions they do bust out their handheld terminal although I am not sure what they are doing with it, other than typing in that I am paying my marker and printing me a Redemption receipt.

And again, we are talking about Resorts World - the fact that some other casino might or might not cash chips with markers outstanding is not relevant, as those other casinos do not track chips to the player.
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:30:58 AM permalink
Mdawg sometimes you say strange things.

Caesars Palace does not have RFID chips. But Caesars still tracks your play at the tables and the cage knows if you have markers outstanding when you cash chips.

Can you cash chips even with outstanding markers? Yes. I've done it.

Suppose I have two $1000 markers and I go to the cage with $1500 in chips. The cage will pay off one $1000 marker and give me the cash for $500.

The cage can see your table markers on their computer. I dont know of any casino with a marker system that doesn't have a computer hook up. And they dont need RFID chips to do it.

You're making a big deal out of nothing.

Players get rated at tables with or without RFID chips. Cages know about markers with or without RFID chips. Chips can be cashed when they dont cover full markers.

This is old news.

The issue is about tracking players chips after they leave the table. RW says they dont do it. But if they did do it the question would be how? How many sensors would they need?

And if they assigned specific chips to a player what are the mechanics for doing it? They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.

In fact everything you've told us comes from people you havent identified. No names of pit bosses or dealers or anyone. In fact I dont even know who you are.

What you can do is contact the PR department at RW. I gave you their email address. And they even attributed their statement about tracking chips-- or more precisely NOT tracking chips-- to a NAMED casino executive.

If you really think that the PR department at RW lied then prove your point. Your hearsay won't hold up.
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:49:42 AM permalink
I'm going to have to go right out and say that you apparently not only do not understand the email you received, but you also do not understand how or what is going on at Resorts World. And you keep bringing up other casinos that have no bearing on this issue. You'll need to go to RW and play, as UNJON is planning to do, if you want to get your head around this issue because you are lost.

And when you say things like, <<They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.>> that contradicts what happened at the tables yesterday.

You can't even seem to grasp that the very email you keep touting contradicts itself, because it says that they do not track to the player, and yet also states that they are "verifying...at the cashier." If they don't track to the player, how do they verify anything to do with verifying electronically the provenance of these RFID chips at the cage? Even your source contradicts himself, because Rick Hutchins wrote that they track every "double down," and yet at RW the Blackjack tables are not even being electronically tracked like Baccarat.

And if your idea of being an investigative journalist is sitting at home sending emails or making phone calls, then you're not going to get very far with any of this. You should either go to RW and PLAY, or stick to Red Rock or wherever else you play where you have some real world experience, and tell us how it works at Red Rock.

Speaking of which, you're still confused on the issue of converting cash to casino check. Will never ever happen, and any casino player who thinks you may buy in for say ten grand cash, lose half of it, and then go get a check from the cage for the half left, knows nothing about how any of that works. Your entire research into that matter also consisted of a confusing phone call that you misinterpreted. Let me tell you right now, NO casino will issue a check for even one penny of a cash buy in, never, not for anyone. Checks are issued ONLY for winnings, or for return of front money made by cashier's check or incoming bank wire.

As long as you continue to think that a phone call or email is going to nail down any of these issues, you will not be a useful source for these matters. Please go down there and play and then come back and tell us what happens. Please go buy in for ten grand cash and try to get a casino check without winning, and tell us how it works.
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:49:42 AM permalink
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:52:26 AM permalink
It seems to me AM and DW are arguing for the sake of arguing. Please stop and go back to the topic.

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