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June 28th, 2017 at 6:33:59 AM permalink
thanks to "naturaleight" and others for sharing observations on macau comps.

just want to add my own 2 cents. i am a hk guy who go to macau from time to time, and i have interest not just in gambling but also on human aspect of gaming industry and development, and comps is one of those areas.

i don't have a structured analysis to say at this moment, just want to throw out some random thoughts based on my own explorations and learning from others on hk gambling forums:

- as people probably know, macau gaming audience is divided into mass market and junkets. junkets is basically casino outsourcing all the messy aspects of finding mainland chinese customers, taking care of them and managing their credits/debts. For not dealing with these headaches the 6 gaming license operators (and their subsidiaries) provide space and give a heavy cut to the junket clubs. the key things are "dead chips" and rebates and undoubtedly there are many colorful stories in that area, but most people (including me) can seldem look behind the curtain except from their related news appearing on newspapers from time to time.

- re mass market gaming the system is clearer. sands/galaxy/city of dreams/mgm provide descriptions and websites on their comps/membership systems (google and read through them)

sjm does not because its management is backward (stanley ho is 95 and living in a hk private hospital) and their business rely mostly on locals and a lesser-educated mainland chinese clientele

wynn does not because it thinks it is above the other operators, and because it is the best it does not need to offer an attractive comp system (btw i do like wynn and its properties :) i am just stating the fact that their attitude is obviously different from the others)

- sands comps system provides the most info and is most extensive simply because it has the largest presence, and also the most number of people passing through its massive casinos.

sands is also the easiest to get comped rooms simply because it has significantly more rooms than others (venetian 3000, cotai central 6000!, parisian 3000) and also sands macau.

- for example to get a comped room in cotai central holiday inn hotel you need 25 points, and 1 point is earned from betting different amount on different games:

slots 460 (because slots has the highest hold and theo, and also because slots are not that popular among chinese gamblers)
sic bo/roulette around 1200
baccarat/blackjack around 3000

- but don't be fooled by the seemingly low 25 points for a comped sands room, it is that low only because sands has more rooms than it knows what to do with. for the other comped items such as food voucher, ferry tickets, non negotiable chips and so on, they still require several dozen points just to start getting them, and need more if any meaningful comps are considered.

- ofcourse comps system changes and it is basically correlated to the chinese economy, at the height of the chinese economic bubble in 2014 casinos had no incentives to attract people because they were making money hand over fist, but now the chinese economy is in much worse shape (reality is way worse than what the chinese communist party propaganda tells the world) casinos are more attuned to the regular joe gamblers.

- there is also the question of new developments, in 2016 we had parisian and wynn cotai, mgm cotai is slated to open this october, sjm cotai next year, cod will open a wacky new tower next year, there are also other future stuff such as louis 13 hotel, galaxy phase 3 and 4, studio city phase 2 etc but those are at least several years ahead.

- all the current casino licenses will expire in 2020 and 2022, and nothing yet has been said by the chinese government even though all the operators are rather anxious on the uncertainy.

there are whispers of power struggles involving factors such as chinese government vs american powers, stemming outflow of capital from mainland china, political management of macau and its people (as an example to the disobedient democracy-wanting hk population), cia spies based in sands/mgm/wynn properties, and other some such tom clancy novel materials...

sorry if my ramblings are all over the place, i am just a guy interested in these stuff and anyone is welcome to communicate in this thread or contact me to talk more.

happy gambling in macau! :)
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June 28th, 2017 at 7:06:10 AM permalink
Thank you very much!
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June 28th, 2017 at 11:40:18 AM permalink
Thanks, sleepingvery. Really appreciate the info.
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sleepingvery
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June 28th, 2017 at 3:52:50 PM permalink
no problem at all, just like everyone here i am some guy who have an interest in gambling and the gaming industry (otherwise we wouldn't be posting here would we??)

except unlike most of the posters who are probably u.s.-oriented and have experience in vegas, i am based in hk and do the same thing for macau.

if have questions please always feel free to ask and see if any of us macau-oriented posters can answer, from our limited knowledge.
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June 29th, 2017 at 2:23:22 AM permalink
Quote: sleepingvery


if have questions please always feel free to ask and see if any of us Macau-oriented posters can answer, from our limited knowledge.



Hello. Since we are here...are there any "non casino" hotels you can recommend which are "reasonable" price wise? Reasonable means less than $100.usd a night. (good location)

I've also never heard of sports betting Macau. Is it there and just not talked about? i.e. betting on American Football?

Thanks.
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June 29th, 2017 at 5:21:22 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Hello. Since we are e there any "non casino" hotels you can recommend which are "reasonable" price wise? Reasonable means less than d a night. (good location)

I've also never heard of sports betting Macau. Is it there and just not talked about? i.e. betting on American Football?

Thanks.




re hotels i guess it depends on what you are looking for and when you want to stay.

also why do you want a "non-casino" hotel, is it because you will be travelling with children? bear in mind if you just avoid the casino in the hotel lobby both casino and non-casino hotels are practically the same.

for tourists to macau, the best bet is to stay and sightsee in the cotai casino complex area, in which case the cheapest is the broadway hotel (part of galaxy group)

you can walk via a footbridge to galaxy main complex and play in its famous pools and artificial beach. there is a small entry price i think. but it does have a casino in the lobby.

the next cheapest hotel in the cotai area is the sands cotai central holiday inn hotel.

a dangerous way to get a free cotai hotel room is to arrive early in the day, sign up for the loyalty club, place thousands of hkd of offsetting bets on sic bo or roulette, and if you can get in a dozen games without the triple number or roulette zero come up, then you can ask for a room... but costly backfire is very possible :)

if you want to stay in the macau peninsula there are many local choices to choose from, one example i can give you is the "legend palace" hotel/casino just next to macau ferry terminal, it opened only a couple months ago and is reasonably priced.

the rebuilt jai alai casino also has a hotel but i don't think it has opened.

if you want old school you can try the lisboa hotel (the old one, not the newer grand lisboa) and see for yourself macau's most eminent casino hotel for several decades pre-2004 until sands macau opened.

re sports betting chinese gamblers just have no knowledge and no interest in it, certainly not enough to warrant sports betting facilities:

/sites/muhammadcohen/2015/11/10/sports-book-lounges-could-bring-new-life-to-macau-casinos-asia-can-save-daily-fantasy-sports/#7a0205b57297

there are some underground betting in mainland china for their soccer teams, and hk's jockey club has sports betting for international soccer, but that's it.
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June 29th, 2017 at 5:27:44 AM permalink
btw one of my goals in the future is to arrange a trip to manila to see for myself the new luxury casino hotels, namely cod manila and the very new okada manila.

never been to phillipines, and i guess the recent resorts world manila masscare may have detered some tourists.

on hk gambling discussion forums people are also eagerly anticipating japan casinos built in the next decade, because japan has attractive and wide spread cultural soft power, and people expect good things.
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June 29th, 2017 at 7:39:50 AM permalink
Quote: sleepingvery

btw one of my goals in the future is to arrange a trip to manila to see for myself the new luxury casino hotels, namely cod manila and the very new okada manila.

never been to phillipines, and i guess the recent resorts world manila masscare may have detered some tourists..



COD Manila isn't really that upscale. Resorts World(now back open) would be like downtown Las Vegas without any charm. Solitaire is a very upscale property as it looks like Okada will be.

I'm going back soon and will do a trip report. One thing worth mentioning, in Manila, you are in the third world. Outside of these properties and it's just a mess.

Good Luck
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June 29th, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

COD Manila isn't really that upscale. Resorts World(now back open) would be like downtown Las Vegas without any charm. Solitaire is a very upscale property as it looks like Okada will be.

I'm going back soon and will do a trip report. One thing worth mentioning, in Manila, you are in the third world. Outside of these properties and it's just a mess.

Good Luck



do you mean solitare is more upscale than cod? i did not know that

i have seen the pics of okada from skyscrapercity and it looks to be quite upscale

i understand southeast asian countries are not exactly on the same level of human development as say, northern europe... :) thanks for the advice anyway
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June 29th, 2017 at 9:17:47 PM permalink
Quote: sleepingvery

do you mean solitare is more upscale than cod? i did not know that

i have seen the pics of okada from skyscrapercity and it looks to be quite upscale

i understand southeast asian countries are not exactly on the same level of human development as say, northern europe... :) thanks for the advice anyway



Yes, I mean Solitare seems more upscale. However, my experiences are limited to exposure to the casino. I have no real opinion on the rooms. I did dine at COD and it wasn't that impressive. I didn't dine at Solitare. Please keep in mind that in both it's a facade as they are staffed by Filipino's. Wonderful and lovely and pleasant as they are, playing the role of five star hosts is somewhat new and awkward to them. I'm no better nor are you or anyone, but the facade just seems more obvious to me. You get the point, it exists worldwide i suppose. I wouldn't call it "human development" as much as simply cultural differences. When you live without running water, putting on a uniform doesn't exactly put you into the sphere of communication with people paying 10,000.piso a night for a hotel room. You simply can't relate to it or them. Okada has it's own website you can review. It's obvious catering to Asian's, which is of course expected. Sorry to digress. I'm having problems with my USA bank and living on the edge of insanity.

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