Is there a cost to the casino?
August 12th, 2014 at 11:29:08 AM
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My favorite reservtion casion in California recently pulled some of my favorite video poker games (Dueces Wild, Dueces Wild Bonus Poker, Joker Poker) from the quarter mechines. Is this because they have to pay a fee for each of the games they make available, and therefore eliminating games would save them money each month?
August 12th, 2014 at 11:45:17 AM
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Quote: tsmerkMy favorite reservtion casion in California recently pulled some of my favorite video poker games (Dueces Wild, Dueces Wild Bonus Poker, Joker Poker) from the quarter mechines. Is this because they have to pay a fee for each of the games they make available, and therefore eliminating games would save them money each month?
More likely would be they were underperforming for that location or compared to other machines. They may have too many of that type of game, too many quarter machines as compared to other denominations. They may have a maximum amount of machines they are allowed to have and have to make room for some new releases.
The cost of a machine is negligible if it's being played.
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August 12th, 2014 at 11:50:39 AM
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In California each casino has a limit of how many Class III games they can have. Poker games are not very profitable. They probably just decided to install more penny video slots that hold ten times as much as the poker games.
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August 12th, 2014 at 12:10:11 PM
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Yep penny slots are generally more popular. Video poker is gradually dying I'm afraid. :(
And they yanked all video poker machines there? I would be surprised by that. VP areas are usually shrinking though.
And they yanked all video poker machines there? I would be surprised by that. VP areas are usually shrinking though.
August 12th, 2014 at 12:17:39 PM
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Any machine using Anchor Action gaming patents costs the casino $15/day/machine for licensing whether owned outright or leased. I might be confused about the company name for videoPoker.com but any multihand game basically. Heard this on the GWAE show.
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August 12th, 2014 at 12:38:37 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleAny machine using Anchor gaming patents costs the casino $15/day/machine for licensing whether owned outright or leased. I might be confused about the company name for videoPoker.com but any multihand game basically. Heard this on the GWAE show.
You are thinking of Action Gaming. They developed the multihand video poker and charge a daily royalty on it.
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August 12th, 2014 at 12:40:55 PM
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Go to Soaring Eagle in MI if you want to see a
downsized casino. It's huge and at one time
had 4500 slots. But with so much competition
now, it had to get rid of 2000 of them to stay
in business. They are spaced further apart,
and the aisles are 3 times wider. But the worst
part is, there's a 50' by 50' empty space right
in the middle. That's 2500 sq ft of floor with
nothing in it. Looks like you could land a plane
there.
downsized casino. It's huge and at one time
had 4500 slots. But with so much competition
now, it had to get rid of 2000 of them to stay
in business. They are spaced further apart,
and the aisles are 3 times wider. But the worst
part is, there's a 50' by 50' empty space right
in the middle. That's 2500 sq ft of floor with
nothing in it. Looks like you could land a plane
there.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2014 at 12:45:48 PM
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August 12th, 2014 at 12:54:04 PM
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Every time I hear of a new casino opening I get a happy feeling for a brief moment. More opportunities. Will it all come crashing down at some point(i'm sure I will be dead by then so i wont worry about it)or will it just create more and more gamblers?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 12th, 2014 at 12:55:44 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesI remember when they first opened. Slot areas were jammed as you said, and they had many more table games too. It was tough to find someone if you got separated from them.
They had 10 roulette tables, now they have 3.
In the 90's and early 2000's the tribal members
got $6000 a month each for years. Around 2006
it was cut in half, in 08 it went to $1000, now I
hear it's less than $500 a month.
One of the largest casinos in the US, it indeed
was a nightmare to find someone if your cell
wasn't working, and for years it wasn't, inside the
casino.
The best thing was, they allow 18 year old's to
gamble and it's a college town. The gorgeous
young girls had the guys rubbernecking and it
was very hard to concentrate on your game.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2014 at 12:57:35 PM
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August 12th, 2014 at 12:59:10 PM
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Are you sure that was not because of your roulette system?Quote: EvenBobThey had 10 roulette tables, now they have 3.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 12th, 2014 at 1:05:17 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAre you sure that was not because of your roulette system?
Probably. Right now they have one of the
only $5 single zero tables with en prison
in the whole country. It's crowded 15
hours a day, you can't get near it. As a
result, they spin maybe a dozen times
an hour, there are so many chips on the
layout.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2014 at 1:12:25 PM
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August 12th, 2014 at 1:52:16 PM
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The Soaring Eagle casino has gone downhill. I was there in May 2013 and liked it. They got rid of the Certified Hot program and lost many loyal people who were used to having a chance gambling. Their commercials used to say, if your casino doesn't have Certified Hot, you're in the wrong casino and now it burns them.
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August 12th, 2014 at 1:57:47 PM
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August 12th, 2014 at 2:06:25 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleThe Soaring Eagle casino has gone downhill. I was there in May 2013 and liked it. They got rid of the Certified Hot program .
They have got rid of a lot of things since
they got a woman CEO. She took out the
beverage stations, no more serve yourself
free coffee and soda. You can get a small cup
of pop from a server if you can find one.
There's so much empty space now that it's
borderline depressing. And they really squeeze
the money now. They spent 10's of millions
for 15 years to keep other casinos from opening,
and now they're all open anyway.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2014 at 3:04:50 PM
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Q1: What is certified hot? Some sort of this bandit paid out so many dollars in the last so many hours/days?
Q2: " They spent 10's of millions for 15 years to keep other casinos from opening, and now they're all open anyway. "
Indian casinos are not immune from geography. Some Indian casinos did well when they were the only opportunity for zillions of miles around, but now they have to be on an interstate near a major city. Some tribes are too poor, some tribes too remotely located. Whether you open up a subway sandwich shop or you open up a casino, there is always some measure of cannibalism, you are draining customers from the industry faster than the delivery rooms can supply new ones.
Q2: " They spent 10's of millions for 15 years to keep other casinos from opening, and now they're all open anyway. "
Indian casinos are not immune from geography. Some Indian casinos did well when they were the only opportunity for zillions of miles around, but now they have to be on an interstate near a major city. Some tribes are too poor, some tribes too remotely located. Whether you open up a subway sandwich shop or you open up a casino, there is always some measure of cannibalism, you are draining customers from the industry faster than the delivery rooms can supply new ones.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:34:05 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffQ2: " They spent 10's of millions for 15 years to keep other casinos from opening, and now they're all open anyway. "
Indian casinos are not immune from geography. Some Indian casinos did well when they were the only opportunity for zillions of miles around, .
That was SE. They were the biggest casino in MI
and in the center of the state. They got all the
business from SW MI because there were no
casinos here. SE gave millions to lobbying groups
trying to keep new casinos from opening, stalling
them for years and years. But you can't fend off
the inevitable forever. Indians are the greediest
group of people I've ever seen. Once a tribe gets
'theirs', they will move mountains to make sure no
other tribe does.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2014 at 3:37:55 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffQ1: What is certified hot? Some sort of this bandit paid out so many dollars in the last so many hours/days?
Slot machines that are supposed to be set at the loosest manufacturer setting (which can vary significantly among games and manufacturers). Googling it though mostly leads to Soaring Eagle. Most casinos don't disclose this publicly, or they never pick the loosest setting. For IGT games, I would expect casinos to pick the tightest setting the most. Most new games they offer have a 85% minimum payback and a 98% max.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:41:40 PM
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September 28th, 2016 at 8:59:41 PM
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These day some could be 90 max, with many 92-94. Gazillions by Aristocrat was 89% only, but I really killed that one as long as it lasted, which wasn't long.Quote: tringlomaneSlot machines that are supposed to be set at the loosest manufacturer setting (which can vary significantly among games and manufacturers). Googling it though mostly leads to Soaring Eagle. Most casinos don't disclose this publicly, or they never pick the loosest setting. For IGT games, I would expect casinos to pick the tightest setting the most. Most new games they offer have a 85% minimum payback and a 98% max.
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September 28th, 2016 at 9:05:57 PM
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I don't even think there is a good answer to that one besides they just didn't want them anymore. If they kept the machines and other games, makes no sense. My wild guess would be a technology issue. Perhaps those machines didn't allow downgraded tables for deuces but did for others, but just speculation on my part. I would bet those games are played worse than ddb and job, so I see no good reason.Quote: tsmerkMy favorite reservtion casion in California recently pulled some of my favorite video poker games (Dueces Wild, Dueces Wild Bonus Poker, Joker Poker) from the quarter mechines. Is this because they have to pay a fee for each of the games they make available, and therefore eliminating games would save them money each month?
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January 18th, 2021 at 5:14:37 AM
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