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Aussie
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April 2nd, 2011 at 9:11:17 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Are PM's still sacred after the person leaves the forum willingly?



My personal opinion is that once someone sends you a PM (just like a physical letter) it becomes your property and you should be free to do whatever you like with it. Wizards rule though so I guess we should respect that.
teeth1
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April 2nd, 2011 at 9:42:29 PM permalink
I'm glad to see that the Wizard is respecting the confidentiality of private messages.
That's why they are called PRIVATE messages.
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Calder
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April 3rd, 2011 at 11:11:22 AM permalink
Quote: Aussie

My personal opinion is that once someone sends you a PM (just like a physical letter) it becomes your property and you should be free to do whatever you like with it.


I also think this rule is odd. As has happened in the past, it allows posters to take shots at others in private, while protecting whatever reputation(!) they may have on the public board. If two parties have information to exchange, they can swap e-mail addresses.
RonC
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April 3rd, 2011 at 12:54:06 PM permalink
Quote: Calder

I also think this rule is odd. As has happened in the past, it allows posters to take shots at others in private, while protecting whatever reputation(!) they may have on the public board. If two parties have information to exchange, they can swap e-mail addresses.



I like the rule because without it there could be a running battle where someone posts PMs that cast another member in an unfavorable light while failing to post those that would cast himself in that same light. Yes, the offended party could post those other PMs, but the person who attacked first could do some damage to a reputation before any repairs could be made.

If someone does something wrong in a PM (attacks, name calling, etc.) it can still be reported to the Wizard for action.
JL2
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April 3rd, 2011 at 1:13:38 PM permalink
The whole thing is crazy. Who cares who says what about whom? Few if any use their real names and we don't even know if most of the ones who say they are are lying about it. A forum is like a fictitious TV show. So what if someone comes on and says I'm a murderer or an unemployed lazy ass with a mother & father I have sex with. When I go to work it's not as if it follows me in there or the whole world read something that had to do with the real me.
DorothyGale
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April 3rd, 2011 at 1:22:12 PM permalink
Quote: Aussie

My personal opinion is that once someone sends you a PM (just like a physical letter) it becomes your property and you should be free to do whatever you like with it. Wizards rule though so I guess we should respect that.

This is so widely discussed and debated, and there is so much litigation at all levels with regard to these copyright principles, that it is impossible to say anything is absolute. However, what's clear, is that the law usually tends to side with the composer as the copyright holder, and rarely the receiver. I have to admit, I am reasonably well educated on this issue -- but I also don't want to engage in a debate about it -- so do your own research ...

As for anonymity on forums, I have tracked users via IP to their house looking at log files from forums. To create an account you usually need an email address of some sort. Those can also be tracked directly to the computer that sends the email. So, if you want to do all your forum stuff from a Kinko's work station and buy time with cash, or you use a proxy server, or you get an AOL account, you can probably be anonymous. But most don't go to those lengths, and your identity is just a couple of mouse clicks away.

Privacy is a fundamental issue. So are property rights. Neither is outside the scope of the law just because it's on an Internet message board.

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SOOPOO
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April 3rd, 2011 at 2:43:29 PM permalink
This one is an easy one for me. When mkl sent a 'private message' to the Wiz he had a choice of making a post which would be for all to see, or just informing the Wiz of his thoughts. Since the Wiz has previously stated that PMs are to remain private unless permission is granted to publicize them, then the PM should remain private. I do not think whether mkl is still a member of the forum is relevant.
thecesspit
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April 3rd, 2011 at 4:05:58 PM permalink
Claiming everyone is anonymous on the internet is an old saw. You are not as anonymous as you think you are, and the owner of any website can put some sort of track on you. Also many people (me for one) use the same screen name in multiple places. It'd probably only take a few minutes work to find my real name, location and other interests, and probably my place of work to boot. Other people choose to use a more or less tightly restricted avatar. Jolly good for them.

So I would be rather pissed off if someone put out slander/libel (I always forget which one is which) about me.
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EvenBob
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April 3rd, 2011 at 6:10:53 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale


As for anonymity on forums, I have tracked users via IP to their house looking at log files from forums. To create an account you usually need an email address of some sort. Those can also be tracked directly to the computer that sends the email.

--Ms. D.



Really. You're better than the FBI, then. They can only get as far as the area the IP is in and have to get a subpoena from a judge to get the actual street address from the internet provider. I used to own a franchise shipping outlet and a couple times a month somebody with a badge would come in demanding info on a boxholder. I couldn't give it to them without a court order, just like the IP provider. Its called right to privacy. Its a common fallacy that somebody can easily find you and knock on your door because they have your IP address. They can't. Google 'Can someone find me with thru my IP address' and you'll get more info than you can use.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
SOOPOO
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April 3rd, 2011 at 6:36:41 PM permalink
It looks like we may have a challenge! Can Dorothy find out EvenBob's real name and address?

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