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wildqat
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February 2nd, 2011 at 9:32:17 PM permalink
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I think "military" time shows midnight as 00:00 hours, not 24:00 hours...


Although that said, there was a sign outside Fort Huachuca's east (?) entrance that gave its hours as 0500 - 2400. Granted, it might not have been an official military sign, and it might have been "corrected" (I haven't been down that way in years), but it stuck in my mind.
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February 2nd, 2011 at 9:34:12 PM permalink
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What bothers me, a little, is that people are exacting on counting down the moment the year ends. They have to do something, be it kissing, hugging, drinking, yelling, etc, at exactly midnight. So it amuses me they're all wrong at the same time.



I think you're all by yourself in that position.

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My beef there is the problem people have understanding the concept of counting from 1 to 10, versus counting from 0 to ten. Of course people are more clueless at math than they are with time.



I wrote a while back how I find it annoying when people rate things on a 1 to 10 scale. It should be 0 to 10. Don't even get me started about those who go outside the scale. Maybe those who celebrated the new millennium on 1/1/2000 are trying to correct for the earlier error of making the first year 1.
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February 2nd, 2011 at 9:45:25 PM permalink
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I think you're all by yourself in that position.



I'm sure I am :)


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I wrote a while back how I find it annoying when people rate things on a 1 to 10 scale. It should be 0 to 10. Don't even get me started about those who go outside the scale.



I know. People who also don't quite grasp the notion of a set scale.

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Maybe those who celebrated the new millennium on 1/1/2000 are trying to correct for the earlier error of making the first year 1.



A proper correction would require we substract one year, and that can't be done.

Next best thing is we measure a person's first year of life, post-birth, in zero years and x months. That way you're one after you've been alive for one year, and so forth. So at least ages indicate time accomplished :)
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February 2nd, 2011 at 10:18:34 PM permalink
To mix it up more traditionally in East Asian cultures they consider a baby is born at 1 years and the age goes up on the lunar new year.
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February 3rd, 2011 at 3:32:44 AM permalink
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To mix it up more traditionally in East Asian cultures they consider a baby is born at 1 years and the age goes up on the lunar new year.



I agree with the first part. As I understand it, they credit everyone a year for time in utero. The part about the lunar new year I have never heard of.

By the way, happy Chinese New Year!
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February 3rd, 2011 at 5:04:12 AM permalink
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Maybe those who celebrated the new millennium on 1/1/2000 are trying to correct for the earlier error of making the first year 1.

Was the first year, really year 1?

I don't want to start a debate about that here, but I know it's been debated by greater minds than ours.


For the record, I think a lot of people are now aware of the confusion. Some people choose to be 'wrong' for no reason other than to be argumentative, others, because the wrong year has a nice round number ring to it.

Also, there was no denying that New Year 2000 was a big deal because of the Y2K bug. As such, it was hard to hold the new millennia off for another year. That helped the 'wrong' thinkers in their cause....


On a side note, I still find it funny that the biggest reported Y2K problem that I heard of was that the slot machines at Dover Downs Delaware stopped working.

On another side note, the greatest thing I ever heard about the Y2K bug was this: "Trust the computer industry to shorten 'Year 2000' to 'Y2K'. It was this sort of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."
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February 3rd, 2011 at 6:55:34 AM permalink
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Was the first year, really year 1?



Not in the sense that Jesus was born and people then started the next year counting it as one. I don't know when the Christian Era was instituted, but ti ahppened in the Roman Empire. The Romans had no number to represent zero, therefore they counted from one, therefore there was a year 1 of the Chrsitan era in retrospect.

BTW the lack of a zero is one of the great failings of the Romans. But perhaps zero dind't fit into the Roman numeral system.

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On another side note, the greatest thing I ever heard about the Y2K bug was this: "Trust the computer industry to shorten 'Year 2000' to 'Y2K'. It was this sort of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."



:)

You know the problem was the date on many systems was represented by using only two digits for the year, done that way to save computer memory. An article I read late in the 90s criticized this practice as unnecessary, but then pointed out dates show up a LOT in all kinds of software. meaning there was a need to spare resources by using shortcuts.

BTW I grasped a bit of this problem, indirectly, in 1976! How? I saw a stack of balnk invoices that had the date area with the year printed as "197__" and I thought "Won't they be useles in 1980?" Of course printing new ones was easy.

At work I had to get new versions of three programs in order to solve the big bad bug problem. I did a lot more work convincing our customers I was on top of things and they'd have zero problems with us.
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February 3rd, 2011 at 7:07:08 AM permalink
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An article I read late in the 90s criticized this practice as unnecessary...

Yeah, in the 90's the price of storage had come down enough that it was FINALLY unnecessary. But when the two digit year got started, back in the 40s, every byte cost big-time. Plus, they knew the problem they were creating wouldn't rear it's ugly head in their lifetimes...


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At work I had to get new versions of three programs in order to solve the big bad bug problem. I did a lot more work convincing our customers I was on top of things and they'd have zero problems with us.

Answering those questions was my job too.

Many customers, and vendors, sent standardized inquiry forms.

One customer sent a ten page document, via certified mail, with a request that it be notorized upon completion. Man were they serious! Instead of answering, I checked our billing records. In the prior 36 months, they had a grand total of two invoices, for a total of about $300. And they paid them late. Yeah, their questionaire went right into the circular file!
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February 3rd, 2011 at 7:22:04 AM permalink
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Yeah, in the 90's the price of storage had come down enough that it was FINALLY unnecessary. But when the two digit year got started, back in the 40s, every byte cost big-time. Plus, they knew the problem they were creating wouldn't rear it's ugly head in their lifetimes...



In the early 90s RAM was expensive and HD meant hard drive, not high-def, and they were expensive, too. Today a 2GB thumb drive is practically a throw-away. In the days of punch cards and magnetic tape, well, i know little about that but obviously both memory and CPU time were at a premium.

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One customer sent a ten page document, via certified mail, with a request that it be notorized upon completion. Man were they serious! Instead of answering, I checked our billing records. In the prior 36 months, they had a grand total of two invoices, for a total of about $300. And they paid them late. Yeah, their questionaire went right into the circular file!



We've had customers like that. One wanted us to get a $2,000+ software package to make our invoices compatible with their systems. We billed them around $100 a month! Pass. Another had a slightly different way of calculating the sales tax, so sometimes out invoices for in-store commissions were off by 1 cent (that's one cent of a peso, not even a dollar. In real terms it's nothing), so they wanted a credit note to make up the difference. What I did was send a one peso coin with the next invoice, and a note saying "Here, this covers us for six or seven years. Call me when it runs out." ;)

On the other hand our big customer sent us bi-monthly reports on sales, which I just copied for the invoice, and paid in full and on time in 7 days.
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February 3rd, 2011 at 8:15:30 AM permalink
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The part about the lunar new year I have never heard of.


Japan has something called Coming of Age Day, where everyone that turned twenty over the previous year has a "party" about reaching adulthood. That might be related.

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