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MDawg
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May 17th, 2022 at 1:09:23 PM permalink
You lookin' for hardware? You come to the right place.


You might get a different reading at different times but this is a pretty good benchmark.

https://web.basemark.com

This is a special multi-Tb SSD custom build 64Gb Apple M1 Max chip with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, and 16-core Neural Engine, 2021 MacBook Pro.



I haven't had a chance to run either of my iMac Pros at home yet, which WERE top of the line at the time when I got them a few years or so ago, but when I get the Mac Studio with Apple M1 Ultra with 20-core CPU, 64-core GPU, 32-core Neural Engine it should break through 2000 on this test easily.

If you study the history of home computers, the BEST have been around eleven grand or so fully loaded, for maybe forty or so years now. Something like this

I suppose.

But...the difference is that eleven grand today isn't all that much money compared to what it was in 1979.
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May 17th, 2022 at 1:27:37 PM permalink
I only got a 594, but a lot of the tests appear to be GPU-based

My computer is "only" an Intel Core i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (not sure if it's 4 cores or 8), with 16 GB RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX-970
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May 17th, 2022 at 1:38:11 PM permalink
I'm sure there are PCs that are as fast as Macs. It's only recently that Apple starting using their own chips.

It is surprising to me that "today" there is a laptop that is so fast, but I can only imagine how fast the custom build Mac Studio will be. Of course it all depends on what you are doing. Word Processing, especially using a program like MSFT Office that isn't even so native MAC, won't see any benefit. Movie editing or multi Photoshop windows open at once, would see the benefit.
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May 17th, 2022 at 1:46:48 PM permalink
Itís no longer a struggle to run programs now that I still use. Even at the same time. I did add extra hard drive capacity SSD to my i7.
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May 17th, 2022 at 3:51:47 PM permalink
So a gaming page was trying to load on the bottom link and it was doing about 2 frames per second. Utter fail.

I spent 18 months watching YouTube videos on a Win 98SE machine with 384 MB of RAM at about 15-30 frames per second, before HD videos came along in late 2008.
There was so little heap memory on it I had to reboot every 2 hours.

I'll have to get a 4K UHD capable computer & TV next. A chip shortage could kill all that in the next few months though, along with a trucking shortage and high fuel prices, and just an overall societal collapse. Gas went up 40-60 cents over the weekend.
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May 17th, 2022 at 4:41:05 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

You lookin' for hardware? You come to the right place.
You might get a different reading at different times but this is a pretty good benchmark.
This is a special multi-Tb SSD custom build 64Gb Apple M1 Max chip with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, and 16-core Neural Engine, 2021 MacBook Pro.


I haven't had a chance to run either of my iMac Pros at home yet, which WERE top of the line at the time when I got them a few years or so ago, but when I get the Mac Studio with Apple M1 Ultra with 20-core CPU, 64-core GPU, 32-core Neural Engine it should break through 2000 on this test easily.

If you study the history of home computers, the BEST have been around eleven grand or so fully loaded, for maybe forty or so years now. Something like this.
I suppose.

But...the difference is that eleven grand today isn't all that much money compared to what it was in 1979.
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Yup, I've got that same model/hardware too. Dang thang is fast.
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May 17th, 2022 at 4:43:39 PM permalink
Fast enough to run my old favorite dos games (and that is all that matters to me).
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May 17th, 2022 at 5:39:04 PM permalink
My work laptop is on an I5 but it is plenty fast for me. It compiles 1.3 million lines of code in about 1 second. To me the biggest factor is memory because I regularly have 15 tabs open in Chrome and tens of files of 24MB open in Notepad++.
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May 17th, 2022 at 6:09:50 PM permalink
Quote: UP84

Yup, I've got that same model/hardware too. Dang thang is fast.
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Took two months to get it though. Last time I got the prior MBP model special config, I was able to find it in stock at the Apple Store.

The max processor / max memory config might be the issue, or the higher than 1 Tb SSD, but in any case, it's hard to get your hands on any special build Apple computers these days.

What started making the special config desktop Macs more expensive was when the memory became fixed and soldered in, so that you had to pay the premium for Apple genuine memory. A while back Apple laptops could use aftermarket inexpensive memory for upgrade. The SSDs are all fixed too for some time so that you're at the mercy of Apple prices there as well. But right now you have to pay, and wait.
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November 1st, 2022 at 10:55:42 AM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

Fast enough to run my old favorite dos games (and that is all that matters to me).
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November 1st, 2022 at 11:08:09 AM permalink
I'm on like a seven-year-old laptop so it's kinda slow....LOL
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November 1st, 2022 at 11:11:44 AM permalink
Faster than my internet.
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November 1st, 2022 at 11:22:13 AM permalink
My 5G is about as slow as my internet was a year ago. If I go outside with my phone it's like 20X faster, so the building is really slowing down my 5G. My internet has been upgraded 20X in the past year. So if my internet goes down, I might want to put my phone in my car and use it as a wi-fi hotspot. But getting stuff from YouTube seems like dial-up speed at times. They don't seem to update their servers for years and years.
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November 1st, 2022 at 11:59:14 AM permalink
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November 2nd, 2022 at 8:52:18 PM permalink
When it comes to laptops nowadays I'm all about the size/weight.

I have a 17" LG gram, it's thin and weighs only about 2 pounds, you can pick it up and fling it around with 2 fingers. You absolutely notice just how light it is especially when traveling, going upstairs and downstairs, and tossing it in a bag and while on your lap. The graphics card is lacking for hardcore gaming, but I don't do that. I play Age of Empires 2 definitive addition and that's it.

I have been thinking about getting the newer LG - gram 17Ē Ultra lightweight Laptop - Intel Evo Platform 12th Gen Intel Core i7 - 32GB RAM - 2TB NVMe SSD. I have it in my shopping cart, but I haven't pulled the trigger since I don't really need it, I have more Laptops than I know what to do with.

I can't imagine ever using A mac(I once had an Apple 2GS in the '90s, but couldn't afford any programs for it). I just gave away an old MacBook Air that I picked up for super cheap, I only turned it on once to make sure it worked when I got it.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 9:17:40 PM permalink
Never heard of Gram before, I may consider one recently dropped my Surface Pro and it didn't survive.
Right now I'm looking to get a budget gaming laptop to run a Skytrak golf simulator I'm putting together.

I haven't played Age of Empires forever still have fond memories I loved that game.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 12:31:55 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

Never heard of Gram before, I may consider one recently dropped my Surface Pro and it didn't survive.
Right now I'm looking to get a budget gaming laptop to run a Skytrak golf simulator I'm putting together.

I haven't played Age of Empires forever still have fond memories I loved that game.
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Dropping the Gram isn't likely (I have myself dropped many laptops) because it's so light and if you did it wouldn't hit the ground hard.

Yeah, there's a "new" AOE out.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 8:52:52 AM permalink
I'm shopping with a GeForce RTX 3080 card as a minimum requirement. 32 GB RAM as a minimum, I might order 64 GB of RAM. I'd be looking for 2 hard drive bays for 2X 2 TB SSD drives. I still need a CD drive but they don't come standard. I like a 17" laptop screen but I don't really use it unless forced to, I use an external monitor. For 4K, I'd have to get a 4K TV as an external monitor, 120 hz. My old Roku offered me a 4K movie yesterday but I don't think my Roku even does 4K and my TV sure doesn't. I'll keep my old 1080p monitor because it's all that fits here.

I just put 2 new SSD 2 TB drives in my 10 year old laptop because the laptops I was looking at are near $5K, and for $500 I can keep going until Windows 10 expires. I need a new desktop computer. I'll be looking for 12th gen Intel, probably an i7.

I've been casting YouTube movies to my TV, and some off-brand videos are 4K on YouTube.
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January 16th, 2023 at 7:06:27 PM permalink
I use my laptop sometimes for working and watching movies. I do not use it for playing games, and that's enough for me
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January 20th, 2023 at 8:05:35 AM permalink
I wish mine would be faster
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January 20th, 2023 at 10:51:42 AM permalink
Speaking of computers, how come it takes exponentially more hard drive space to run the exact same stuff that I had in the '90s?

Back in the mid-90s, my computer had 500 MEGABYTES of hard drive space. I had all the usual stuff... internet browsers, Microsoft Office, multiple games, other random computer programs, image files, video files, etc. I don't think I ever filled up the hard drive.

Nowadays I would need multiple GIGABYTES of space just for Microsoft Word alone.

What's going on? Where is all this extra bloat coming from?
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January 20th, 2023 at 12:09:04 PM permalink
Anybody find they have to reboot every hour because their computer crashes from lack of RAM?
Windows 98 SE had a heap memory issue that required me to reboot every hour. Just looking at 75 photos of 1024 x 768 resolution would run out the heap memory.
I only had 384 MB of RAM and I had a program that would defrag the RAM when the RAM was full and it would save 100 MB of RAM for a little while.

I just upgraded my 11 year old computer with 32 GB of RAM and a new 2 GB video card (it's really a 5 year old model, so it isn't optimized to play games newer than 2020) and a new 2 TB SSD drive and a reinstallation of Windows 10. The computer no longer takes half an hour to log into Windows each day, it takes a handful of minutes if that. A new desktop computer would cost more than a couple thousand dollars at this time with graphics cards as expensive as ever and new Intel 12th or 13th gen chips costing a lot. My computers are too old to render 4K video, but they might be able to play 4K video if I had a 4K TV/monitor. I'm not sure what upload speed is needed to stream 4K content, but it's probably more than 10 mbps, so I'd have to hotspot to my phone to do that somehow.

Back in the day, antivirus was the load that made computers I had unusable. Norton, Panda, AVG, etc. would just jam the computer with their bloat. I've shifted to AVAST! but that is getting to be exceptionally bloated with all the subscriptions. Me having 50 to 99 tabs open in Chrome is probably a 10-20 GB bloat now too.
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January 20th, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Me having 50 to 99 tabs open in Chrome is probably a 10-20 GB bloat now too.
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Why on earth do you have so many tabs open....
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January 20th, 2023 at 2:19:29 PM permalink
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Me having 50 to 99 tabs open in Chrome is probably a 10-20 GB bloat now too.
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Why on earth do you have so many tabs open....
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I regularly have between 25 and 50 tabs open in Chrome. In general it doesn't cause many problems as I have 16GB of RAM.
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January 20th, 2023 at 3:40:54 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Speaking of computers, how come it takes exponentially more hard drive space to run the exact same stuff that I had in the '90s?

Back in the mid-90s, my computer had 500 MEGABYTES of hard drive space. I had all the usual stuff... internet browsers, Microsoft Office, multiple games, other random computer programs, image files, video files, etc. I don't think I ever filled up the hard drive.

Nowadays I would need multiple GIGABYTES of space just for Microsoft Word alone.

What's going on? Where is all this extra bloat coming from?
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I assume the switch from a 32-bit architecture to a 64-bit one has something to do with it. Remember when an "int" was 16 bits by default instead of 32, and a "long" was 32 instead of 64?
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January 20th, 2023 at 6:14:04 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Quote: TigerWu

Speaking of computers, how come it takes exponentially more hard drive space to run the exact same stuff that I had in the '90s?

Back in the mid-90s, my computer had 500 MEGABYTES of hard drive space. I had all the usual stuff... internet browsers, Microsoft Office, multiple games, other random computer programs, image files, video files, etc. I don't think I ever filled up the hard drive.

Nowadays I would need multiple GIGABYTES of space just for Microsoft Word alone.

What's going on? Where is all this extra bloat coming from?
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I assume the switch from a 32-bit architecture to a 64-bit one has something to do with it. Remember when an "int" was 16 bits by default instead of 32, and a "long" was 32 instead of 64?
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The answer is a lot less complicated than that, it's because companies developing these programs want to jam all of the latest and greatest features to compete with other companies, and they are most likely developing these products on completely overkill systems, so if they can pack a feature into something even if maybe 90% of the people don't use it, they will.

You also have to remember that computers today have better screen resolution as well, which means that the "graphics" required for modern programs are more than they were way back when. Back then a pixelated logo would have been fine for a program, nowadays it wouldn't pass (unless it's the intention but I'm talking in general).

Also consider the fact that even a typical computer nowadays casually has 8 GB of RAM in it, if you took all that time to optimize for space and memory usage, it simply wouldn't be cost effective anymore for the companies developing these programs, by the time a program comes out nowadays that is equivalent in space/memory optimization as back then, the requirements for the program would have changed already and you simply just wasted your time while your competition just jammed a bunch of features in and released their product before you did. And of course, most programs today even without all the extra bloated features nobody uses are more capable than they were way back when in the 90s.
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January 21st, 2023 at 5:52:24 AM permalink
Even on a 64-bit machine, you can use the shortest data type that serves your purpose when you program in a language that supports efficient memory usage like C/C++.. Single bits can be stored as boolean, 8 bits as char, 16 bits short, 32 bits as int or float. Only double and long int use 64 bits.

When I have large arrays of floating point numbers, I often check and see if 32-bits provides enough accuracy for the calculation.

Feature bloat is most of the problem. Among the worst offenders is caching tremendous amounts of web data to make a web page more responsive.
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January 21st, 2023 at 8:08:01 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: TigerWu

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Me having 50 to 99 tabs open in Chrome is probably a 10-20 GB bloat now too.
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Why on earth do you have so many tabs open....
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I regularly have between 25 and 50 tabs open in Chrome. In general it doesn't cause many problems as I have 16GB of RAM.
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But....why so many tabs?? Is it for your job?
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January 21st, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM permalink
One of the first things I like to do is to try to claim the RAM first.

So the programs I write (C++ Visual Studio) get priority relative to the OS (Windows 7) and the browser (Chrome).

I will also bump thread and process priorities (sometimes real-time).

I only have a quad processor now (64 bit i5-3570 @ 3.4GHz) with 16GB RAM, but it's plenty fast.

The bottleneck is the video processor memory of only 8GB.

But it's fast enough right now for business purposes (very large screen).

I will also block several outgoing program sockets like Mr. Softy's telemetry, etc.

Can't block the outgoing browser though.
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January 21st, 2023 at 8:55:23 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Quote: DRich

Quote: TigerWu

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Me having 50 to 99 tabs open in Chrome is probably a 10-20 GB bloat now too.
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Why on earth do you have so many tabs open....
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I regularly have between 25 and 50 tabs open in Chrome. In general it doesn't cause many problems as I have 16GB of RAM.
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But....why so many tabs?? Is it for your job?
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Yes, I multitask
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January 21st, 2023 at 9:58:34 AM permalink
The need for more memory in personal computers is mostly due to operating systems and programs. The early microcomputers in the 1970s and early 1980s all ran DOS or the equivalent which didn't need as much memory, nor did the programs that ran off DOS. Back then looking at some of the advertising literature, a slogan such as "A Powerful system of 64K" (from Cromemco, apparently the Ferrari of microcomputers back then) referred to the maxed out ne plus ultra in memory capacity (the computer on Apollo 11 in 1969 had 4K of RAM).

Then along came visual based operating systems (Mac OS, Windows) and memory needs took a quantum leap. Since then, operating systems have move up and down in size, but remained huge compared to non-visual predecessors.

And eventually programs like Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, increased the need for memory especially in order to open multiple images or videos at once, such that today we have laptops like the MacBook I use with 64Gb of memory, and iMac Pros (I have one) and Mac Studios with 128Gb. MSFT Office, which is a very clumsy emulation as programs go, and is a standard install on most people's computers, needs a lot of memory too relative to some other programs.
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November 9th, 2023 at 8:45:26 AM permalink
I think it's time to update with the new MacBook Pro.

The configuration I need (or want, anyway), is
Apple M3 Max chip with 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
128GB unified memory
2TB SSD storage
16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display
140W USB-C Power Adapter
Three Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, SDXC card slot, headphone jack, MagSafe 3 port
Backlit Magic Keyboard with Touch ID - US English
which comes in at $5399.

On my last one, configured similarly, I got one of the casinos to buy it for me free a couple years ago, or rather, I got it via accumulated "points/dollars" from ongoing play (builds via theo loss, not actual loss - most of these programs don't give you much for actual loss, but a lot for continued play).

I still have my at that time top of the line maxed out iMac pro that I paid a hefty sum for end of 2018, something like twelve grand, haven't upgraded that. Nowadays the Mac Studio or Mac Pro are the top of the line, but neither has the new M3 Max chip. The new iMacs which do have the M3 chip are more hobbyist machines, can't even go beyond 24Gb memory or 2Tb HD.
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November 9th, 2023 at 8:55:14 AM permalink
Just curious, what do you need a faster computer for? As a software developer I am on my computer about 15 hours a day, I rarely do anything where a faster computer would help. I do use lots of memory because I usually have about 25 tabs open in Chrome but speed is rarely a problem for me.
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November 9th, 2023 at 9:05:11 AM permalink
That's the flip side of the matter. That I don't really "need" such a machine.

Many years ago when I first got one of the newer fastest Apple computers a friend of mine who owned a graphics pre press company got annoyed, saying to me, You don't even NEED a machine like that. I had a better machine than he had in a professional company.

Now, one reason I like the faster more advanced machines is for stock trading, and I do write off the cost of any machines I paid against that "business" so there's another reason why it pays for me to just spend, as a deduction against income, but otherwise, I'll admit that I just like to update all my machines and phones generally, every other year.

But you're right in that over all, I won't really notice the difference between what I have right now with a 2Tb HD, 64Gb memory, Apple M1 Max chip with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, and 16-core Neural Engine, versus the newest one I want to get. It's not like the difference between a machine of today and one of say, twenty years ago.
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November 9th, 2023 at 9:22:40 AM permalink
Maybe it would come in handy if you got Elon Muskís new brain implant.
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November 9th, 2023 at 9:31:34 AM permalink
I know nothing Apple but thought a few times about getting a Mac mini for the price point. But Apple stuff is expensive and cultish. I'm waiting to see when Windows 12 debuts and what the state of PC's will be then and what they might be a year from then. This Windows 10 stuff expires in 2 years. Since video cards have been crimped to thwart bitcoin mining, the prices on them should have dropped from sky high, but new models still debut at sky high. I'm used to $100-$200 video cards, and I've been witnessing $500-$1000+ cards in the marketplace. I'd probably get 64 GB of RAM on my next computer to future proof it and no store will sell that kind of rig so I'd have to order online somewhere.

Buying a computer with casino points is a novel way to spend points. Not sure they would approve my specific purchase if I had the points. Maybe I could buy gas.
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November 9th, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM permalink
It's a now almost four decade debate, but ever since MSFT jettisoned DOS, Windows machines just try to be "Mac like." Why go for the imitation, why not the original?
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November 9th, 2023 at 9:46:53 AM permalink
I thought I saw a windows interface on an Apple computer in 1987 at MIT. It took until 1995 for Windows 95 to come out.
The Macintosh II came out in 1987 and was $5500 back then. Based on the Motorola 68020 32-bit CPU, it is the first Macintosh supporting color graphics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_II
I kind of wanted an Amiga 500 back in the day but was priced out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500
College kids could get their parents to get them computers for class, but if you weren't a student, no parent is gonna spring for a computer for their kid.
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November 9th, 2023 at 12:01:34 PM permalink
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It's a now almost four decade debate, but ever since MSFT jettisoned DOS, Windows machines just try to be "Mac like." Why go for the imitation, why not the original?
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If you think the Mac was the original graphical OS you are mistaken. the first GUI was in 1968 if my memory is correct.
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November 14th, 2023 at 12:16:52 AM permalink
I have said this before, and I will say it again. If you are going to buy a new laptop, I highly suggest the 17" LG Gram line( they have smaller ones as well)

They are super light weight. No joke, you can pick it up with one finger, assuming you can balance it, you could spin it on your finger.

When I first seen it on display and picked it up, I thought for sure it was just a shell with nothing inside.

I was a bit concerned at first that it might be to flimsy, but I have put it thought the ringer while traveling and at home and it's held up fantastic. Now whenever I pick up a regular laptop it feels like a brick and heavy on my lap. I haven't ever noticed it getting too hot, even when leaving it running on a blanket(obviously something I don't recommend).

I can see a situation where if you pinched the lid and screen recklessly to hard while picking it up, there could be an issue with possible screen damage.

If you're a graphics heavy gamer you probably need to get the latest model that has the better graphics card, there are a few different versions.
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November 14th, 2023 at 12:36:07 AM permalink
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It's a now almost four decade debate, but ever since MSFT jettisoned DOS, Windows machines just try to be "Mac like." Why go for the imitation, why not the original?
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If you think the Mac was the original graphical OS you are mistaken. the first GUI was in 1968 if my memory is correct.
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I didn't say that, the discussion was between Windows and Mac OS.

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