FleaStiff
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November 25th, 2010 at 5:57:51 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As was mentioned earlier, a "gold digger" usually refers to a female trying to hook up with a wealthy male. I have a story of one in my Terrible's review.

I wouldn't describe that incident as involving a gold digger, just some meth addict wanting to be a leech for awhile before seeing if she could get some transaction in an alleyway or something.

Gold digger is a term usually used for a female who is at least offering more and offering it on a longer term basis.
mkl654321
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November 25th, 2010 at 10:36:14 AM permalink
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The person you referred to I would call a "free loader." Such people usually rely on your good manners, so may be hard to spot until your manners start to run thin. If I invite a friend to go gambling, but he has no money, I'll make the rules clear. Either he can borrow some money, or he can play with mine as long as always bets the minimum, plays exactly how I tell him, and gives me whatever is left when we're done. That should preempt any free loading before it starts.

As was mentioned earlier, a "gold digger" usually refers to a female trying to hook up with a wealthy male. I have a story of one in my Terrible's review.



I've let friends who are broke, or have gone broke, play with my money at VP. My conditions are that they play the game I want them to, play with proper strategy (letting me decide any difficult plays), and cash out when I tell them to. They also have to play right next to me, so I can monitor their play. In return, they get to play with their own slot card (so they accrue the benefits for free), are eligible for any other promos (such as "hot seat" drawings), and get free drinks, of course. I also have an informal agreement that if one of us hits a royal, they get $100, and are on their own. If we have a good session without the royal, I'll peel off a couple of twenties.

I think the above is more than fair, and I am as restrictive as I am because in the past I've loaned people $500 or $1000, and it's gone in something stupid like two hours. I usually got paid back eventually, but that wasn't the point--I realized that I wasn't doing those people any favors by lending them money.

Anybody who behaves like a human leech and siphons off your money at the table should get the same treatment Kevin Kline (Otto) got at the end of "A Fish Called Wanda". What I would do with such a person at the BJ table is make him my personal slave--play the minimum, play perfect Basic Strategy, make sure I can see all your cards, and every time you get a blackjack, you get a dollar. I keep all other funds bet, winners or losers. You also have to kiss my feet every time the deck is shuffled.
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EvenBob
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November 25th, 2010 at 10:43:13 AM permalink
Weren't the Golddiggers the name of the Vegas dancers Dean Martin had on his TV show in the late 60's?
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mkl654321
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November 25th, 2010 at 10:44:53 AM permalink
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Weren't the Golddiggers the name of the Vegas dancers Dean Martin had on his TV show in the late 60's?



Yep.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
Mosca
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November 25th, 2010 at 10:47:00 AM permalink
The only person to whom I give money for gambling is my wife. She doesn't have to give it back, but when she wins, she gives me back the initial stake. Otherwise, it's all community money at its most base anyhow, it just happens to be in my pocket at the time.
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thecesspit
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November 25th, 2010 at 11:06:15 AM permalink
Occasionally I'll lend my buddy a couple of bucks to complete his bet, make the double down, etc. Saves time of him diving into the wallet. Thats about as far as it goes. I get it back one way or another, and never expect interest. Though I may joke about it :)

I'd never let anyone gamble on my dime, and certainly not free roll the winners. I'd rather just not hit the casino and go do something else we can both enjoy.
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SOOPOO
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November 25th, 2010 at 11:18:02 AM permalink
I really don't get this thread. If a friend wants to borrow money then I will lend him it. If i win at a table I do not share my winnings. They are separate events. If the friend does not pay back the loan then he is not a friend. mkl- if you really just give a friend $100 of your royal, then you essentially were playing with a paytable that pays $100 less than it says. Now, if you decide to treat a friend, then that is different. I think that when gambling it is much easier to keep your money your money, and his money his money. And, yes, you are not helping someone who cannot afford to gamble by giving him a loan.
mkl654321
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November 25th, 2010 at 11:35:48 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

. mkl- if you really just give a friend $100 of your royal, then you essentially were playing with a paytable that pays $100 less than it says. Now, if you decide to treat a friend, then that is different. I think that when gambling it is much easier to keep your money your money, and his money his money. And, yes, you are not helping someone who cannot afford to gamble by giving him a loan.



But you're missing something--his play benefits me, too. If we're playing fullpay deuces wild, he's earning me $7/hour (and himself, $2 or $3 an hour in slot card benefits). Combined, one or the other of us should hit a royal once every twenty-four hours or so. But by that time, he'll have earned for me an expected gain of +$168--which completely justifies my giving him $100 when the royal hits, and $40 for the occasional good session. What I've been doing for him is giving him the opportunity to earn $10/hr.
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