How to spot gold diggers?

Last week I went to the casino with a friend visiting Hong Kong and started with the equivalent of US$300. I lost 75% of my bankroll and got it back. I taught him how to play baccarat and he then asked me to lend him the equivalent of $100 and won a few times. We basically went to tables with people betting tens of thousands of dollars a hand and mirrored their hands. Every times I won he would take parts of my winnings as a commission for bringing luck and he would make me pay for the commission when he won the banker bet, however he would refuse to pay me when we both lost a bet. I was really pissed off but I turned my $300 into nearly $1000 and he was up nearly $2000 by a combination of 'commissions' and big bets. He made me pay for expensive restaurants and I now stopped talking to him because I realize what kind of bullshit he got me into.

This is probably the 2nd or 3rd time something like this happens; how do you tell if someone is a gold digger before something like this happens to you?

Quote: HKrandom

Last week I went to the casino with a friend visiting Hong Kong and started with the equivalent of US$300. I lost 75% of my bankroll and got it back. I taught him how to play baccarat and he then asked me to lend him the equivalent of $100 and won a few times. We basically went to tables with people betting tens of thousands of dollars a hand and mirrored their hands. Every times I won he would take parts of my winnings as a commission for bringing luck and he would make me pay for the commission when he won the banker bet, however he would refuse to pay me when we both lost a bet. I was really pissed off but I turned my $300 into nearly $1000 and he was up nearly $2000 by a combination of 'commissions' and big bets. He made me pay for expensive restaurants and I now stopped talking to him because I realize what kind of bullshit he got me into.

This is probably the 2nd or 3th time something like this happens; how do you tell if someone is a gold digger before something like this happens to you?

The fact that he didn't have the money in the first place should have been your first sign....
When you both lost and he paid you nothing was your second sign....
Him making you pay for fancy restaurants was your third....
Given that this is the 2nd or 3rd (not sure what 3th is?) time, you are just to soft.
If you had said this was some stunningly hot woman, who let you have your way with her, I could of seen the point.

It's automatic:
If they can't fade their own bets, it's a problem from square one.
ANYONE who scrounges for bet money is trouble.
If they're a success, they need NO one else's money.

It seems like English is not your first language (or maybe it was just a lot of typos?) so something may have gotten lost in translation because it sounds like a ridiculous situation. Does this person have some kind of power over you? Older relative / hot girl playing you? If the answer is no to the last two questions, grow some balls.

For future reference: In western culture "gold digger" usually refers to a good looking woman who only gets with a guy for his money. Further more, the label is attached specifically to women (and in very few cases men) who marry for money over love.

Quote: HKrandom

Last week I went to the casino with a friend visiting Hong Kong and started with the equivalent of US$300. I lost 75% of my bankroll and got it back. I taught him how to play baccarat and he then asked me to lend him the equivalent of $100 and won a few times. We basically went to tables with people betting tens of thousands of dollars a hand and mirrored their hands. Every times I won he would take parts of my winnings as a commission for bringing luck and he would make me pay for the commission when he won the banker bet, however he would refuse to pay me when we both lost a bet. I was really pissed off but I turned my $300 into nearly $1000 and he was up nearly $2000 by a combination of 'commissions' and big bets. He made me pay for expensive restaurants and I now stopped talking to him because I realize what kind of bullshit he got me into.

This is probably the 2nd or 3th time something like this happens; how do you tell if someone is a gold digger before something like this happens to you?

There are women who do this all the time. At least you get to rub up against them until you run out of money.


Your friend has a lot of nerve asking you to lend him a third of your bank roll. If you are ok lending him the money, simply tell him that when all is said and done, he owes you $100. It's a loan just like any other loan whether you are at a casino, club or sporting event.

He takes part of your winnings as a commission? Are you saying he reaches over to your betting spot and removes chips? What casino would allow that?

I'm not crystal clear on your exact relationship, but since this is the second or third time this has happened you should man up or get better friends. No one can take advantage of you unless you let them.

Sorry for the confusion I wasn't referring especially to people that take advantage of others in casinos I was talking about free riders in general. This was just a guy I used to hang out with, I remember he often asked others to buy him drinks when going out but he is quite funny and I never thought he would go that far. This is the first time it happened in a casino but I previously lent money to friends who still haven't repaid me. I guess I am a bit too naive so I was hoping to get some advices here. He didn't take the chips from my pile he actually asked every times and got extremely pissed off if I said no and me being easily manipulated I blindly listened to that fucktard.

Quote: benbakdoff

Your friend has a lot of nerve asking you to lend him a third of your bank roll. If you are ok lending him the money, simply tell him that when all is said and done, he owes you $100. It's a loan just like any other loan whether you are at a casino, club or sporting event.

This is exactly what I told him and he agreed to it at first but after we were up by so much he said I was being a greedy douchebag and I should not complain because he just 'made' me so much money and then proceeded to invite himself to fancy restaurant in the Sands and chose expensive Japanese beef that he barely ate because he realized he didn't like that kind and when I finished his beef (that I paid for!) he said I was very cheap.

The person you referred to I would call a "free loader." Such people usually rely on your good manners, so may be hard to spot until your manners start to run thin. If I invite a friend to go gambling, but he has no money, I'll make the rules clear. Either he can borrow some money, or he can play with mine as long as always bets the minimum, plays exactly how I tell him, and gives me whatever is left when we're done. That should preempt any free loading before it starts.

As was mentioned earlier, a "gold digger" usually refers to a female trying to hook up with a wealthy male. I have a story of one in my Terrible's review.

Quote: HKrandom

... and I never thought he would go that far.
... and got extremely pissed off if I said no .

Such people will always go as far as they can ... and rely on their skills to display being pissed off at you for your not giving them your money.
Obviously you need some practice saying No and saying Get Lost.
YOU were playing Baccarat, he was playing you. He always has, he always will. It is his nature.

Yes, gold digger is a female who is on the make for a rich guy.
Free Loader? Well, all players want comps so maybe we are all freeloaders to some degree.

Quote: FleaStiff

Yes, gold digger is a female who is on the make for a rich guy.
Free Loader? Well, all players want comps so maybe we are all freeloaders to some degree.

I think a gold digger could be a male, but it would be the exception to the rule.

Asking for a comp does not necessarily constitute free loading, because you gave the casino something in exchange. Even if you're comp hussling I wouldn't call it that, because you're playing by the casino's own rules.

Quote: Wizard

As was mentioned earlier, a "gold digger" usually refers to a female trying to hook up with a wealthy male. I have a story of one in my Terrible's review.

I wouldn't describe that incident as involving a gold digger, just some meth addict wanting to be a leech for awhile before seeing if she could get some transaction in an alleyway or something.

Gold digger is a term usually used for a female who is at least offering more and offering it on a longer term basis.

Quote: Wizard

The person you referred to I would call a "free loader." Such people usually rely on your good manners, so may be hard to spot until your manners start to run thin. If I invite a friend to go gambling, but he has no money, I'll make the rules clear. Either he can borrow some money, or he can play with mine as long as always bets the minimum, plays exactly how I tell him, and gives me whatever is left when we're done. That should preempt any free loading before it starts.

As was mentioned earlier, a "gold digger" usually refers to a female trying to hook up with a wealthy male. I have a story of one in my Terrible's review.

I've let friends who are broke, or have gone broke, play with my money at VP. My conditions are that they play the game I want them to, play with proper strategy (letting me decide any difficult plays), and cash out when I tell them to. They also have to play right next to me, so I can monitor their play. In return, they get to play with their own slot card (so they accrue the benefits for free), are eligible for any other promos (such as "hot seat" drawings), and get free drinks, of course. I also have an informal agreement that if one of us hits a royal, they get $100, and are on their own. If we have a good session without the royal, I'll peel off a couple of twenties.

I think the above is more than fair, and I am as restrictive as I am because in the past I've loaned people $500 or $1000, and it's gone in something stupid like two hours. I usually got paid back eventually, but that wasn't the point--I realized that I wasn't doing those people any favors by lending them money.

Anybody who behaves like a human leech and siphons off your money at the table should get the same treatment Kevin Kline (Otto) got at the end of "A Fish Called Wanda". What I would do with such a person at the BJ table is make him my personal slave--play the minimum, play perfect Basic Strategy, make sure I can see all your cards, and every time you get a blackjack, you get a dollar. I keep all other funds bet, winners or losers. You also have to kiss my feet every time the deck is shuffled.

Weren't the Golddiggers the name of the Vegas dancers Dean Martin had on his TV show in the late 60's?

Quote: EvenBob

Weren't the Golddiggers the name of the Vegas dancers Dean Martin had on his TV show in the late 60's?

Yep.

The only person to whom I give money for gambling is my wife. She doesn't have to give it back, but when she wins, she gives me back the initial stake. Otherwise, it's all community money at its most base anyhow, it just happens to be in my pocket at the time.

Occasionally I'll lend my buddy a couple of bucks to complete his bet, make the double down, etc. Saves time of him diving into the wallet. Thats about as far as it goes. I get it back one way or another, and never expect interest. Though I may joke about it :)

I'd never let anyone gamble on my dime, and certainly not free roll the winners. I'd rather just not hit the casino and go do something else we can both enjoy.

I really don't get this thread. If a friend wants to borrow money then I will lend him it. If i win at a table I do not share my winnings. They are separate events. If the friend does not pay back the loan then he is not a friend. mkl- if you really just give a friend $100 of your royal, then you essentially were playing with a paytable that pays $100 less than it says. Now, if you decide to treat a friend, then that is different. I think that when gambling it is much easier to keep your money your money, and his money his money. And, yes, you are not helping someone who cannot afford to gamble by giving him a loan.

Quote: SOOPOO

. mkl- if you really just give a friend $100 of your royal, then you essentially were playing with a paytable that pays $100 less than it says. Now, if you decide to treat a friend, then that is different. I think that when gambling it is much easier to keep your money your money, and his money his money. And, yes, you are not helping someone who cannot afford to gamble by giving him a loan.

But you're missing something--his play benefits me, too. If we're playing fullpay deuces wild, he's earning me $7/hour (and himself, $2 or $3 an hour in slot card benefits). Combined, one or the other of us should hit a royal once every twenty-four hours or so. But by that time, he'll have earned for me an expected gain of +$168--which completely justifies my giving him $100 when the royal hits, and $40 for the occasional good session. What I've been doing for him is giving him the opportunity to earn $10/hr.