HKrandom
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November 25th, 2010 at 1:49:50 AM permalink
Last week I went to the casino with a friend visiting Hong Kong and started with the equivalent of US$300. I lost 75% of my bankroll and got it back. I taught him how to play baccarat and he then asked me to lend him the equivalent of $100 and won a few times. We basically went to tables with people betting tens of thousands of dollars a hand and mirrored their hands. Every times I won he would take parts of my winnings as a commission for bringing luck and he would make me pay for the commission when he won the banker bet, however he would refuse to pay me when we both lost a bet. I was really pissed off but I turned my $300 into nearly $1000 and he was up nearly $2000 by a combination of 'commissions' and big bets. He made me pay for expensive restaurants and I now stopped talking to him because I realize what kind of bullshit he got me into.

This is probably the 2nd or 3rd time something like this happens; how do you tell if someone is a gold digger before something like this happens to you?
WizardofEngland
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November 25th, 2010 at 2:02:53 AM permalink
Quote: HKrandom

Last week I went to the casino with a friend visiting Hong Kong and started with the equivalent of US$300. I lost 75% of my bankroll and got it back. I taught him how to play baccarat and he then asked me to lend him the equivalent of $100 and won a few times. We basically went to tables with people betting tens of thousands of dollars a hand and mirrored their hands. Every times I won he would take parts of my winnings as a commission for bringing luck and he would make me pay for the commission when he won the banker bet, however he would refuse to pay me when we both lost a bet. I was really pissed off but I turned my $300 into nearly $1000 and he was up nearly $2000 by a combination of 'commissions' and big bets. He made me pay for expensive restaurants and I now stopped talking to him because I realize what kind of bullshit he got me into.

This is probably the 2nd or 3th time something like this happens; how do you tell if someone is a gold digger before something like this happens to you?



The fact that he didn't have the money in the first place should have been your first sign....
When you both lost and he paid you nothing was your second sign....
Him making you pay for fancy restaurants was your third....
Given that this is the 2nd or 3rd (not sure what 3th is?) time, you are just to soft.
If you had said this was some stunningly hot woman, who let you have your way with her, I could of seen the point.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
Paigowdan
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November 25th, 2010 at 2:32:50 AM permalink
It's automatic:
If they can't fade their own bets, it's a problem from square one.
ANYONE who scrounges for bet money is trouble.
If they're a success, they need NO one else's money.
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ahiromu
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November 25th, 2010 at 4:10:30 AM permalink
It seems like English is not your first language (or maybe it was just a lot of typos?) so something may have gotten lost in translation because it sounds like a ridiculous situation. Does this person have some kind of power over you? Older relative / hot girl playing you? If the answer is no to the last two questions, grow some balls.

For future reference: In western culture "gold digger" usually refers to a good looking woman who only gets with a guy for his money. Further more, the label is attached specifically to women (and in very few cases men) who marry for money over love.
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November 25th, 2010 at 4:19:17 AM permalink
Quote: HKrandom

Last week I went to the casino with a friend visiting Hong Kong and started with the equivalent of US$300. I lost 75% of my bankroll and got it back. I taught him how to play baccarat and he then asked me to lend him the equivalent of $100 and won a few times. We basically went to tables with people betting tens of thousands of dollars a hand and mirrored their hands. Every times I won he would take parts of my winnings as a commission for bringing luck and he would make me pay for the commission when he won the banker bet, however he would refuse to pay me when we both lost a bet. I was really pissed off but I turned my $300 into nearly $1000 and he was up nearly $2000 by a combination of 'commissions' and big bets. He made me pay for expensive restaurants and I now stopped talking to him because I realize what kind of bullshit he got me into.

This is probably the 2nd or 3th time something like this happens; how do you tell if someone is a gold digger before something like this happens to you?



There are women who do this all the time. At least you get to rub up against them until you run out of money.


Your friend has a lot of nerve asking you to lend him a third of your bank roll. If you are ok lending him the money, simply tell him that when all is said and done, he owes you $100. It's a loan just like any other loan whether you are at a casino, club or sporting event.

He takes part of your winnings as a commission? Are you saying he reaches over to your betting spot and removes chips? What casino would allow that?

I'm not crystal clear on your exact relationship, but since this is the second or third time this has happened you should man up or get better friends. No one can take advantage of you unless you let them.
HKrandom
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November 25th, 2010 at 4:37:07 AM permalink
Sorry for the confusion I wasn't referring especially to people that take advantage of others in casinos I was talking about free riders in general. This was just a guy I used to hang out with, I remember he often asked others to buy him drinks when going out but he is quite funny and I never thought he would go that far. This is the first time it happened in a casino but I previously lent money to friends who still haven't repaid me. I guess I am a bit too naive so I was hoping to get some advices here. He didn't take the chips from my pile he actually asked every times and got extremely pissed off if I said no and me being easily manipulated I blindly listened to that fucktard.
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November 25th, 2010 at 4:41:19 AM permalink
Quote: benbakdoff

Your friend has a lot of nerve asking you to lend him a third of your bank roll. If you are ok lending him the money, simply tell him that when all is said and done, he owes you $100. It's a loan just like any other loan whether you are at a casino, club or sporting event.


This is exactly what I told him and he agreed to it at first but after we were up by so much he said I was being a greedy douchebag and I should not complain because he just 'made' me so much money and then proceeded to invite himself to fancy restaurant in the Sands and chose expensive Japanese beef that he barely ate because he realized he didn't like that kind and when I finished his beef (that I paid for!) he said I was very cheap.
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November 25th, 2010 at 4:47:51 AM permalink
The person you referred to I would call a "free loader." Such people usually rely on your good manners, so may be hard to spot until your manners start to run thin. If I invite a friend to go gambling, but he has no money, I'll make the rules clear. Either he can borrow some money, or he can play with mine as long as always bets the minimum, plays exactly how I tell him, and gives me whatever is left when we're done. That should preempt any free loading before it starts.

As was mentioned earlier, a "gold digger" usually refers to a female trying to hook up with a wealthy male. I have a story of one in my Terrible's review.
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November 25th, 2010 at 5:06:26 AM permalink
Quote: HKrandom

... and I never thought he would go that far.
... and got extremely pissed off if I said no .


Such people will always go as far as they can ... and rely on their skills to display being pissed off at you for your not giving them your money.
Obviously you need some practice saying No and saying Get Lost.
YOU were playing Baccarat, he was playing you. He always has, he always will. It is his nature.

Yes, gold digger is a female who is on the make for a rich guy.
Free Loader? Well, all players want comps so maybe we are all freeloaders to some degree.
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November 25th, 2010 at 5:18:40 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Yes, gold digger is a female who is on the make for a rich guy.
Free Loader? Well, all players want comps so maybe we are all freeloaders to some degree.



I think a gold digger could be a male, but it would be the exception to the rule.

Asking for a comp does not necessarily constitute free loading, because you gave the casino something in exchange. Even if you're comp hussling I wouldn't call it that, because you're playing by the casino's own rules.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

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