Transactional Sex
Transactional sex is a broad term that includes prostitution but in Africa it does not equate to Nevada's legal brothels or to Denmark's legalized prostitution districts. It refers to all women growing up with the concept that their sexuality has financial value and that it is normal and accepted to exchange sex for money or other resources (food, merchandise, physical labor by male partners, etc.)
Scholarly articles state that transactional sex is common in Subsaharan Africa and in parts of Southeast Asia. But I am surprised by the low numbers that get quoted for relational sex.
Is this the future? Or, is it only the intersection of poverty with Western Consumerism (and an absence of religious teaching)?
Are long-term committed sexual relationships between men and women going to become the exception rather than the rule? Should they?
Quote: DanMahoneyI would guess those figures are about average for the USA from my experience.
Ha... in MY experience it's about 5% relational and 95% "solo work."
Now wash your hands please $;o)Quote: TigerWuHa... in MY experience it's about 5% relational and 95% "solo work."
Quote: gordonm888transactional sex ... refers to all women growing up with the concept that their sexuality has financial value and that it is normal and accepted to exchange sex for money or other resources (food, merchandise, physical labor by male partners, etc.) ... Is this the future?
It's nothing new: it's called "marriage."
either do it because they want something,
think they'll get something, or it's part
of a contract like marriage where they
do it out of contractual agreement.
Some of the girls just wanted to do it.
No demands, no expectations, just a party, wham bam thank you mam and sayonara: both of us satisfied.
I sort of miss those days.
Quote: MrVboth of us satisfied
This is a critical step. One some members seem oblivious to.
It's not all that difficult, guys. Even before the interweb, there were books about it.
Quote: EvenBobAll sex with a woman is transactional. They
either do it because they want something,
think they'll get something, or it's part
of a contract like marriage where they
do it out of contractual agreement.
Well, yes, but in Subsaharan Africa it is common that parents are happy that their adolescent daughters are bringing home money from their sexual encounters. That is different than the World According to EvenBob. I think that the destigmatizing of "pay for sex" is one of the fascinating aspects of this.
Quote: EvenBobAll sex with a woman is transactional.
As opposed to all sex with a man? With children? Animals? Your hand? Since you're equating all women to prostitutes, (thanks so much for the insult), what's your suggested alternative among those left?
Quote:They
either do it because they want something,
think they'll get something, or it's part
of a contract like marriage where they
do it out of contractual agreement.
Maybe that was your experience. I wouldn't know. But in general, you couldn't be more wrong.
Many people have sex because they love each other. I guarantee that my wife doesn't do anything in our marriage out of "contractual agreement." There are many good people in our world who are in good committed relationships for the right reasons - to care for and cherish the other person.
Quote: NathanI honestly thought that this thread was going to be asking if normal prostitution should be legalized considering that both parties are consenting adults and say 35 year old John(No pun intended, ;) is willing to pay 28 year old Sarah $50 for sex. And Sarah is willing to get paid the $50 for sex.
It's going to happen, and probably within our lifetimes.
Casinos have spread across the country, and are continuing to do so.
Recreational Marijuana is fastly becoming legal as well.
I suspect some other drugs will follow, too.
Regulated brothels are not far behind.
Quote: TigerWuIt's going to happen, and probably within our lifetimes.
Casinos have spread across the country, and are continuing to do so.
Recreational Marijuana is fastly becoming legal as well.
I suspect some other drugs will follow, too.
Regulated brothels are not far behind.
Consensual Prostitution is not that much different from one night stands(People who just met that same night having sex for a night and then going their separate ways the next morning) that are legal. Only difference is Prostitutes get paid.
Quote: billryanYou don't pay a prostitute for sex. You place for her to leave when it's done and hopefully to be discrete.
Haha.... you're definitely paying for the sex.
You think they'd stick around for free if you WEREN'T paying them?
Quote: TigerWuHaha.... you're definitely paying for the sex.
You think they'd stick around for free if you WEREN'T paying them?
There are ways around this. Just like there are ways of "selling" stuff on eBay that isn't allowed. You sell something else and give the supposed "banned" product away for free.
Quote: NathanI honestly thought that this thread was going to be asking if normal prostitution should be legalized
Well, I never knew that it was illegal in the US, apparently under state laws.
Prostitution is perfectly legal in the UK and, as far as I know, most of Europe, where it's regulated.
Brothels are illegal here if more than one lady is working, but many 'massage' establishments are licensed to provide certain 'entertainment services' $:o) They are almost always tolerated and would only get raided by the police if suspected of forced prostitution, people smuggling etc. Prostitutes are also supposed to declare earnings and pay income tax.
Some sex is transactional, depends where you draw the line. Certainly not all or the majority, by any stretch. Assess your own experience, whether you are male or female, what did you pay, or charge, the last few times you had sex... Unless you are a keen DIYer.
Quote: OnceDearWell, I never knew that it was illegal in the US, apparently under state laws.
Prostitution is perfectly legal in the UK and, as far as I know, most of Europe, where it's regulated.
Brothels are illegal here if more than one lady is working, but many 'massage' establishments are licensed to provide certain 'entertainment services' $:o) They are almost always tolerated and would only get raided by the police if suspected of forced prostitution, people smuggling etc. Prostitutes are also supposed to declare earnings and pay income tax.
Some sex is transactional, depends where you draw the line. Certainly not all or the majority, by any stretch. Assess your own experience, whether you are male or female, what did you pay, or charge, the last few times you had sex... Unless you are a keen DIYer.
Prostitutions is MAYBE legal in Nevada particularly Las Vegas, but is illegal in the other 49 states.
Quote: NathanI Africa is a third world Country
I would ban you for this comment alone......
Quote: SOOPOOI would ban you for this comment alone......
Common ground at last.
Quote: SOOPOOI would ban you for this comment alone...... [\q]
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Quote: SOOPOOI would ban you for this comment alone......
Poor geography knowledge isn’t among the forum rule violations
Also a lot of whores in Las Vegas come in for the weekend from out of town, and work independently without a pimp.
Many are just trying to supplement the income from their weekday jobs, and/or trying to add to the household income; yeah, a lot of them have partners who don't care if others defile them: it's all about the Benjamins.
Wicked world.
Quote: NathanI should make it clear that I was thinking more along the lines of a Call Girl, not a Prostitute. A Prostitute is someone who is controlled by her Pimp and has to give him a cut of her money she gets from the John's. A Call Girl is more of an independent businesswoman and she gets to keep all the money, think Pretty Woman movie starring Julia Roberts and Richard Gere.
Umm..no. I can't find a single clause/sentence/concept of your post that's correct.
Not to mention this:
Quote: NathanConsensual Prostitution is not that much different from one night stands(People who just met that same night having sex for a night and then going their separate ways the next morning) that are legal. Only difference is Prostitutes get paid.
Judge much?
Then we have this :
Quote: NathanI honestly thought that this thread was going to be asking if normal prostitution should be legalized considering that both parties are consenting adults and say 35 year old John(No pun intended, ;) is willing to pay 28 year old Sarah $50 for sex. And Sarah is willing to get paid the $50 for sex. But to answer your thread directly, Africa is a third world Country and isn't subject to the rules and regulations of first world Country such as United States.
Africa is a third world country? Africa is a continent. There are 54 countries in Africa, at last count. Some as different from others as can be, in development, demographics, social constructs, wealth, and history. Several have made enormous contributions to civilization. Humans in their modern form started there.
This is you contributing what, exactly, to this thread?
Quote: beachbumbabsUmm..no. I can't find a single clause/sentence/concept of your post that's correct.
Not to mention this:
Judge much?
Then we have this :
Africa is a third world country? Africa is a continent. There are 54 countries in Africa, at last count. Some as different from others as can be, in development, demographics, social constructs, wealth, and history. Several have made enormous contributions to civilization. Humans in their modern form started there.
This is you contributing what, exactly, to this thread?
I just edited my post to reflect that common knowledge calls it third world. ;) There is a reason why I love the edit button so much that I included the edit button in my signature. ;)
Quote: NathanProstitutions is MAYBE legal in Nevada particularly Las Vegas, but is illegal in the other 49 states.
Prostitution is specifically ILLEGAL in Las Vegas. It's determined by county, and Clark and Washoe, home to Las Vegas and Reno, the two largest cities in those counties, prohibit it.
Elsewhere any county that allows it, must strictly regulate the brothels, which are the only legal places for it.
Quote: SOOPOOI would ban you for this comment alone......
Yeah. Africa is a third world continent, not a country.
Quote: billryanYou don't pay a prostitute for sex. You place for her to leave when it's done
That's Sinatra. Frank said:
"I don't pay a hooker for sex, I pay her
to leave when it's over." He said with
a girlfriend, they never leave and you're
stuck with them for hours sometimes.
Hookers always leave, they're glad to.
You can tell what sex means to women
because if they get mad, the first thing
they do is take sex away from you. It's
their bargaining tool, they know it's
something we want and something they
can do without for long periods.
It sends the message that they're only
having sex because we're giving them
what they want, and we better keep
making them happy or else. Never
heard a man say he's pissed at his
wife so he stopped having sex. It
would never even occur to us to do
that.
Experts say a woman knows within 10
seconds of meeting you if she'll have
sex with you or not. The rest of the
transaction is you giving her what she
wants to make it happen. If she knows
she'll never do it, she'll still play the
game just to see how much she can
get out of you before you give up.
Dinners, movies, trips, when she never
had any intention of sex from the gitgo.
Quote: beachbumbabsProstitution is specifically ILLEGAL in Las Vegas. It's determined by county, and Clark and Washoe, home to Las Vegas and Reno, the two largest cities in those counties, prohibit it.
Elsewhere any county that allows it, must strictly regulate the brothels, which are the only legal places for it.
Thanks for enlightening me. I assumed Prostitution was legal in Las Vegas because of the whole "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas," common saying. I assumed that since Vegas is known for it's debauchery, Prostitution was legal there.
want from them isn't sex, it's how the
woman makes them feel about themselves.
They are nice to the guy, make him feel
important and appreciated, something
wives are very bad at. Call girls make the
big bucks because they know how to
stroke a mans ego. Hookers just know
slam/bam, that's what they get paid for.
Prostitutes are not hookers are not call
girls.
Quote: EvenBobExperts say a woman knows within 10
seconds of meeting you if she'll have
sex with you or not. The rest of the
transaction is you giving her what she
wants to make it happen. If she knows
she'll never do it, she'll still play the
game just to see how much she can
get out of you before you give up.
Dinners, movies, trips, when she never
had any intention of sex from the gitgo.
LOL
This guy actually thinks the drunken rants from the dipsomaniacs he once served in his bar qualifies them as "experts."
Or maybe he worships at the altar of Tom Leykis?
Quote: NathanBut to answer your thread directly, Africa is a third world Country
Quote: NathanA Prostitute is someone who is controlled by her Pimp...
A Call Girl is more of an independent businesswoman and she gets to keep all the money
Quote: NathanI would be remiss if I didn't mention I got my Call Girl vs Prostitute definitions from Google. ;)
Generalisation or what?Quote: EvenBobThey (prostitutes) are nice to the guy, make him feel important and appreciated, something wives are very bad at.
Quote: EvenBobCall girls make the big bucks because they know how to stroke a mans ego.
Hookers just know slam/bam, that's what they get paid for.
Prostitutes are not hookers are not call girls.
Quote: NathanI assumed Prostitution was legal in Las Vegas because ...
I assumed that since Vegas is known for it's debauchery, Prostitution was legal there.
FFS. This thread is a veritable mine of misinformation and assumptions. If you are going to state helpful facts, how about making those statements helpful or facts or both. Don't use google to only then go on to spout rubbish. Don't post assumptions as facts.
Africa is NOT a third world country. It might be common consensus amongst the extremely ignorant. To some of African descent that could be construed as racist. To some who bother to know rudimentary geography it's irritating, but fortunately lack of basic knowledge does not infringe the rules here.
Not all prostitutes have a pimp.
Who says Call girls get to keep all the money? Many use agencies to take bookings and pay for that privilege.
'Call girl' is subset of 'Prostitute'
'Hooker' is a different subset of 'Prostitute'
Some Prostitutes are hookers and some are call girls.
EvenBob seems to be an authority on Call girls and other prostitutes, but I and my wife suggest he only understands a limited subset of wives.
Now, Nathan, Your expanded sig is inane. It does not make you look intelligent.
Quote: NathanThanks for enlightening me. I assumed Prostitution was legal in Las Vegas because of the whole "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas," common saying. I assumed that since Vegas is known for it's debauchery, Prostitution was legal there.
Prostitution is all over vegas just no brothels. Sit at penny and nickel slots at any casino and you will get a hooker trying to pick you up
https://youtu.be/KEP1acj29-Y?t=2
Quote: EvenBobThat's Sinatra. Frank said:
"I don't pay a hooker for sex, I pay her
to leave when it's over." He said with
a girlfriend, they never leave and you're
stuck with them for hours sometimes.
Hookers always leave, they're glad to.
You can tell what sex means to women
because if they get mad, the first thing
they do is take sex away from you. It's
their bargaining tool, they know it's
something we want and something they
can do without for long periods.
It sends the message that they're only
having sex because we're giving them
what they want, and we better keep
making them happy or else. Never
heard a man say he's pissed at his
wife so he stopped having sex. It
would never even occur to us to do
that.
Experts say a woman knows within 10
seconds of meeting you if she'll have
sex with you or not. The rest of the
transaction is you giving her what she
wants to make it happen. If she knows
she'll never do it, she'll still play the
game just to see how much she can
get out of you before you give up.
Dinners, movies, trips, when she never
had any intention of sex from the gitgo.
Lol at "experts"
And again, if a woman is attracted to you and you give her orgasms (such a thing is possible) she will usually want it more often than you do. Especially later in the relationship.
Quote: OnceDearEvenBob seems to be an authority on Call girls and other prostitutes, but I and my wife suggest he only understands a limited subset of wives.
Wow, you have a lot of 'opinions' that
you dispense as facts, what you just
accused us of. We call that irony..
Would it be OK if we sent our posts
to you first, you could fact check
them, correct for errors, and
approve them before we post.
Thanks in advance..
Quote: Rigondeauxand you give her orgasms
You don't 'give' women orgasms, anymore
than they 'give' them to us. We experience
them, much like we experience taste when
we eat something. Want to piss off a feminist,
tell her you want to 'give' her an orgasm.
She'll laugh in your face.
Quote: EvenBobYou don't 'give' women orgasms, anymore
than they 'give' them to us. We experience
them, much like we experience taste when
we eat something. Want to piss off a feminist,
tell her you want to 'give' her an orgasm.
She'll laugh in your face.
I'm talking about on planet earth. Women definitely still want a man to take control in bed down here.
You shoulda checked out a book on how to please a woman back in the day. It could have saved you from many hours of listening to talk radio.
I ain't trying to be mean but you and a couple other guys keep cataloging your failures, anger and frustration with women, then declaring that this somehow makes you an expert.
Quote: EvenBobYou don't 'give' women orgasms, anymore
than they 'give' them to us. We experience
them, much like we experience taste when
we eat something. Want to piss off a feminist,
tell her you want to 'give' her an orgasm.
She'll laugh in your face.
Well, no, gotta disagree on that one.
Any guy who wants to give orgasms is at least headed in the right direction. So is any girl. But it's one of those unequal things, the way that works. Most guys take a while to recover after 1 orgasm, and may be done for the night. Most women can experience many along the way to his orgasm, if the guy wants to take the time for that to happen. And, happily, most guys do, and are welcome to provide that gift.
And, yeah, I have to agree with Rig. Women like to be desired, caught, and bedded, with the man in charge. In my experience, that's what most men prefer as well. So it works out. Though there is role playing where the woman seems to be running the show. But it's really his pleasure that's being looked after in that scenario (sub/Dom it's really the sub), and hopefully hers as well.
Whichever way it goes, if a man looks to please his partner, and a woman looks to please hers, chances are everybody will have fun. Feminists perhaps do a better job in speaking up about what they like or desire from their partner than "traditional" women. Some men want to know; others take any discussion as criticism of their technique. Which is a pity.
Quote: EvenBobWow, you have a lot of 'opinions' that you dispense as facts, what you just accused us of. We call that irony..
FACT: I KNEW when I posted recently about Nathan's dodgy facts and I commented on your opinions of women that YOU, EvenBob, would comment in almost exactly this way.
You disappoint me. Your fired off your comment at a post where I gave an observation and a suggestion and no quantifiable facts. You came too soon and left me dissatisfied.
So predictable and hasty to retaliate $:o)
Now, if you'd been patient, I'm SURE I would have been along soon and posted some outrageous 'mis-facts'. But I guess you just needed it out of your system. (Guess=opinion, of course)
Quote: Rigondeauxthen declaring that this somehow makes you an expert.
It doesn't make you an expert, but
it does make you experienced..
Quote: OnceDearYOU, EvenBob, would comment in almost exactly this way.
You disappoint me.
Oh, I have 20K posts of nothing but
disappointments to somebody here.
Luckily, and this is no secret, I only
post for my own edification. So the
opinions of others mean very little
to me. I learned this in writing class
at school. Write for your edification
only and you'll never be disappointed
at the result.
She reads your posts doesn't sheQuote: OnceDear...., but I and my wife suggest he only understands a limited subset of wives.
