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This is why I quit being a sports fan. Prices are ridiculous for this useless crap.



I think all sports should do what the Falcons did

Falcons to offer lowest concession prices in major team sports in 2017

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In another article it said that they made 16% more $$ this season.
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This is why I quit being a sports fan. Prices are ridiculous for this useless crap.



I think all sports should do what the Falcons did

Falcons to offer lowest concession prices in major team sports in 2017

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In another article it said that they made 16% more $$ this season.
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Maybe we should get a block of VGK tickets that Friday night. Nosebleed seats, expensive beer, t-shirt cannon....what could go wrong?



I would be very interested. I went to one of the regular season games and had a great time. As someone else mentioned, ticket prices will be sky high. If anyone knows of a bar that will carry the game, I'd suggest catching it there.
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If anyone knows of a bar that will carry the game, I'd suggest catching it there.



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May 8th, 2018 at 11:03:54 PM permalink
If the Jets win game 7 in Nashville on Thursday I will almost 100% be going to game 4 of the Eastern Finals on the Friday. Other than that I would be open to getting together with members Sunday-Wednesday on top of the Saturday Spring Fling.
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May 9th, 2018 at 2:48:12 PM permalink
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Born and Raised.



That's in Henderson, no? Isn't it called Henderson Born and Raise or are there several scattered about?
There will be no trouble finding a bar showing the game. None whatsoever. Try finding one not showing it.
I was going to suggest a 51s game, as Thursday is dollar beer night but they are away that week.
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That's in Henderson, no? Isn't it called Henderson Born and Raise or are there several scattered about?
There will be no trouble finding a bar showing the game. None whatsoever. Try finding one not showing it.
I was going to suggest a 51s game, as Thursday is dollar beer night but they are away that week.




2. Theres one in Henderson off eastern & st rose, and theres another one in Rhodes off Warm Springs between Buffalo & Durango.

But yeah, any bar anywhere will show the game. I suggested it since they are the offical bar of the team, and they got good food too (especially their wings)
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May 9th, 2018 at 3:14:28 PM permalink
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... I suggested it since they are the offical bar of the team ...

Aren’t there several ‘official’ bars? I’m certain that the D is one of several ‘official’ casinos.....
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Aren’t there several ‘official’ bars? I’m certain that the D is one of several ‘official’ casinos.....



Yeah the D is the 'official' downtown casino of the golden knights.

B&R is the only place ive ever seen advertise itself as an official bar (Via Radio & TV)..They also host the shuttle service to the stadium and sell merch with the team logos on it..so i assume theres an official thing going on.
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May 9th, 2018 at 3:28:58 PM permalink
Y'all can go get drunk in several bars.
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May 9th, 2018 at 3:36:11 PM permalink
The Yankees have so many Official everythings, it makes your head spin. The Ford Focus was the official small car, the Mazda CX was their official crossover. The head scratcher is Dominos was the official pizza of the Yankees, but Papa Johns was the official take out pizza.
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I'm coming out for a week. Hoping for some poker/craps/other stuff along with the specific event. Anyone else up for something the day before, or afternoon, or after dinner?

Just got back in the country, arriving home about 2 this morning. My wife and I will arrive in Las Vegas this coming Wednesday afternoon, and I am indeed interested in getting together for additional gatherings. We will head home from Vegas the following Monday night late.
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May 12th, 2018 at 6:59:39 AM permalink
I hear Hussong's Cantina, by my house, shows the VGK games. I know it is quite a ways from the Strip, but any interest for the Friday 5/18 game?
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May 12th, 2018 at 10:50:15 AM permalink
Living I. Henderson, that wouldn't be my first choice.
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May 12th, 2018 at 2:48:38 PM permalink
Is still this being slated for May 19th and doesn't have much that requires advance warning? I don't usually make my plans this far out unless circumstances force my hand, but it'd be good to know in case I do end up in the area then.

Also a few comments on things earlier in the thread...

True Lies is actually a remake of a more-comedy-less-action French movie, La Totale!... both are fun movies, even if there's a lot copied scene-for-scene.

Monopoly games really need to be played by the rules, or with additions to make it even more cutthroat... 'friendly' house rules tend to make it incredibly boring. One of the most common is dropping the auction rule, not immediately auctioning off properties that aren't immediately purchased by whoever lands on it-- makes it so much longer this way and eliminates a good amount of strategy. One house rule that I like playing with (that frustrates a lot of people I play with...) is what we refer to as the Sidebar: By skipping your turn, you can pull any number of other players off to the side to try and cut a deal in secrecy.

The 2$ drink for the Falcons seems amazingly low, especially since the wording seems to imply that it's unlimited refills, not just per cup. I'm not surprised they made more money with that pricing-- I'm the type that'd normally try and smuggle in food and drinks into a theater (though not as bad as my relatives... why on earth did you bring a 20lb sack of rice on a two-night trip to LV?) but at those numbers, I'll just pay the extra 50c and enjoy The Stadium Experience.
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May 15th, 2018 at 8:44:02 AM permalink
In April of last year, on the eve of our flight to Las Vegas for Spring Fling 2017, my wife and I experienced a family tragedy and had to cancel the entire trip. I posted here about my disappointment in missing that gathering and explained the reasons. Missing the chance to see a group of you folks just added to the emotions of the tragedy itself.

We are currently scheduled to fly to Las Vegas tomorrow for Spring Fling 2018, and the situation suddenly became far too similar to what happened last year. No, there is no family tragedy at all on the order of last year, but our travel may well be affected just the same.

Early yesterday afternoon, I began to suffer back pains that were different from any I had experienced in the past. They became more intense, and I finally succumbed to my wife’s exhortation that I needed to see a physician. My regular PCP was booked solid, but I was able to get in and be checked out by one of his colleagues.

My blood pressure was much higher than usual, and there was blood and some kind of other indicators in my urine. The preliminary diagnosis was a possible kidney stone, even though I have never experienced such a condition before in my life. I was scheduled for a CT scan of my kidneys about 5:30 last evening, and I received a call from the physician later in the evening with the results.

She said that the scan shows seven stones in my right kidney and four in my left kidney. The one that is trying to get out of the left kidney is 4mm in diameter. She described the pain of passing such a stone as roughly equivalent to delivering by natural childbirth. I, of course, have never personally experienced that, but she made her point quite well.

She said that another stone in that same kidney is 11mm in diameter, which is too large for me to pass at all. She said that she would try to get me in to see a urologist today, and I do, indeed, have an appointment set for 2:30pm EDT.

When we got the physician’s call yesterday evening, my wife declared that it didn’t make any sense for us to make a Spring Fling 2018 trip that would leave me in significant pain and close to 2,000 miles away from home and my usual medical facilities. In response, I declared that I would wait to see what we learned today.

I just thought I should make this preliminary post to let folks know that I might miss out again this year. If the urologist tells me that I am an idiot for even considering plane flights and a Vegas Vacation in this condition, I will scramble to cancel the airline, hotel, and rental car reservations, and I will post a follow up note to let folks here know.

I sure hope that it turns out that we get to join you! At the moment, I am not having any fun at all here at home.
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May 15th, 2018 at 9:13:58 AM permalink
Hope you get well soon and see you next year.
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May 15th, 2018 at 10:00:40 AM permalink
Doc that sucks but health is more important. I wish you a speedy recovery!
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May 15th, 2018 at 10:40:01 AM permalink
Doc I have suffered kidney stones

Its like going through natural childbirth... for 7 straight days!!!

I wish you the best

P.S. when I finally gave birth to my 2 children (the family Stone) I named my first born Rocky and the second Roxanne. Kept them in a cup for all to see

My real kids thought I was nuts but hey I worked hard to have those two
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May 15th, 2018 at 11:24:49 AM permalink
Feel better.
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May 15th, 2018 at 11:58:03 AM permalink
I thought that these days they zap kidney stones with focused ultrasound waves and turn them into zillions of really tiny little pebble fragments that don't hurt a bit except in the wallet and perhaps in the taste buds after swilling all that raw cabbage juice.
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May 15th, 2018 at 12:14:21 PM permalink
Sorry to hear about the kidney stones, Doc. I hope your recovery from whatever they do goes well. Of course, I totally understand if you can't make it, but will hope that you can.
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May 15th, 2018 at 12:37:50 PM permalink
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I thought that these days they zap kidney stones with focused ultrasound waves and turn them into zillions of really tiny little pebble fragments that don't hurt a bit except in the wallet and perhaps in the taste buds after swilling all that raw cabbage juice.



Here I was wondering if a catheter and a little CLR wouldn't do the trick...

Bummer, Doc. Hoping things work out and good health returns quickly.
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May 15th, 2018 at 1:11:05 PM permalink
Passing a kidney stone was by far the most pain I've felt. If there's any option for the non-surgical UV solution, take it! As far as comparable pain for men, picture squeezing a testicle right to the point where you want to vomit. Now hold it at that pain level for days. You're almost there.
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May 15th, 2018 at 1:25:03 PM permalink
I've been hearing about this sonic disruption technology for at least twenty years but every person I know that gets a stone passes them the old fashioned way.
These things seem to run in my family. Both my Mom and Dad had them within a year or two of each other, and my Aunt had one just a few years ago. Hopefully, this technology is adopted in the future.
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May 15th, 2018 at 1:41:38 PM permalink
I certainly wasn't given that option. Was prescribed pain medication and told to bear it

They put my feet into stirrups and told me to breath in and out in steady rythms (joke for those serious minded people on here)
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Back home from the urologist. He discussed both the ultrasound and catheter/laser options but said that about 2/3 of the time a person can pass a stone like the one currently giving me trouble. He didn't try to describe how wonderful that process will feel. He also said that it is appropriate to watch and wait for about 3 weeks to see whether it passes on its own. I have appointments for x-rays and ultrasound in June.

He said that there is no way for him to say what the next week is going to be like. He also said that there was no reason to stay home if I felt like making the trip. I was feeling just fine while in his office, but I'm a little uncomfortable now. My wife was annoyed that he didn't insist that we cancel the trip, because she doesn't want to wind up having to look after me in Las Vegas in one of my intense-complaint modes.

For now, the plan is to make the trip and keep some goooood meds on hand in case the pain goes beyond what just makes me grumpy. Looking forward to seeing you folks. If I am frowning when you see me, you can take your guess about whether that is caused by a kidney stone or bad variance.


BTW, was there ever any decision on group gatherings other than the main event? I don't have anything specific on my schedule.
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May 15th, 2018 at 1:54:31 PM permalink
Doc,

Keep in mind there is legal Marijuana here in Vegas which could help with the pain.....
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May 15th, 2018 at 1:55:20 PM permalink
It appears there was a study done about ten years ago that showed that people who did the ultra sound method were four times as likely to have diabetes then those who did the traditional method. That may be why it is less used.
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May 15th, 2018 at 2:01:54 PM permalink
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Keep in mind there is legal Marijuana here in Vegas which could help with the pain.....


I just happen to have a small supply of oxycodone, which I think would do the trick for me.

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... the ultra sound method ....

I think that ultrasound is being considered for the 11mm stone that showed up on my CT scan, not the 4mm stone that is currently causing my discomfort but which has a 2/3 chance of passing naturally.
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May 15th, 2018 at 2:14:31 PM permalink
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BTW, was there ever any decision on group gatherings other than the main event? I don't have anything specific on my schedule.



We discussed being free on friday and sunday (there's a home hockey game on Friday that was generating some interest). I don't think firm plans were publicly made for either day, but maybe they wouldn't be for the same reasons the saturday thing is secret.
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May 15th, 2018 at 2:14:52 PM permalink
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...I think that ultrasound is being considered for the 11mm stone that showed up on my CT scan, not the 4mm stone that is currently causing my discomfort but which has a 2/3 chance of passing naturally.

Doc, I've seen a lot of movies and shows about proper breathing when giving birth. Since your doctor said it's quite similar I am willing to be there to hold your hand, help you breathe (hee hee hoo hoo), and push through it!

Joking aside, I hope you are in no pain and have a great time since it sounds like you plan on making the trip. I look forward to seeing you again!

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...I think there is enough interest to have a poker game afterward. Hopefully somebody can arrange a private table somewhere.

This will be taken care of, no one else needs to worry about it. Either myself of Axel can get a private game, I just hope we do indeed have enough interest to hold the table full for just members only =).
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May 15th, 2018 at 2:43:27 PM permalink
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Keep in mind there is legal Marijuana here in Vegas which could help with the pain.....



I second that. It isn't as strong as an epidural, nowhere near, but might cut down on the discomfort by 25% to 40%. It came in handy on my recent 27-mile hike in the Grand Canyon.
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May 15th, 2018 at 2:45:36 PM permalink
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We discussed being free on friday and sunday (there's a home hockey game on Friday that was generating some interest). I don't think firm plans were publicly made for either day, but maybe they wouldn't be for the same reasons the saturday thing is secret.



I'd still like to watch the game on Friday night. Perhaps that stadium sports book in the Palazzo? I mentioned Hussong's Cantina by my house, which I can verify does show the games, but they don't play the sound and it isn't the main attraction. Still, if you guys want some good Mexican food, by all means, come out to Summerlin and I'll join you for the Friday game.
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May 15th, 2018 at 4:12:18 PM permalink
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I certainly wasn't given that option. Was prescribed pain medication and told to bear it
They put my feet into stirrups and told me to breath in and out in steady rythms (joke for those serious minded people on here)

That's okay. I've just found out that several of the females from the Wizard's various videos will be there as dulas to aid Doc in the passing of his kidney stones. (also a joke).

A reminder: drink fluids (other than booze) to avoid kidney stones.

Raw cabbage juice changes the gut bacteria which affects urinary oxalate excretion.
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May 15th, 2018 at 4:12:50 PM permalink
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I think that ultrasound is being considered for the 11mm stone that showed up on my CT scan, not the 4mm stone that is currently causing my discomfort but which has a 2/3 chance of passing naturally.



check out those sizes! [you have to copy and paste the image into your location bar for some reason]

PS: don't get mm confused with cm or you will faint

sorry to hear about your difficulties, Doc. Get well.

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May 15th, 2018 at 8:42:04 PM permalink
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I second that. It isn't as strong as an epidural, nowhere near, but might cut down on the discomfort by 25% to 40%. It came in handy on my recent 27-mile hike in the Grand Canyon.

Kidney stones can vary in their degree of pain depending on what kind, how sharp/jagged, how large and their location. I have had a few and ended up in the hospital. if you get an infection due to the stone(seems common) they will keep you for a few days. You can usually tell when you first get one. When you urinate it feels strange. You might have some strange back pain near your kidneys.

They don't usually start off all that painful, but suddenly you can wake up thriving in extreme pain from your back shooting to your groin to the point you can't even think, and just want to die. It may last a few minutes or even many hours, off and on. I don't think pot will help much at that point. I was given IV shots of Dilaudid in the hospital and that barely helped at all. That actual passing of the stone doesn't really hurt, it just feels strange but you instantly feel better as if nothing ever happened. It's when it gets caught along the way in places such as the ureter(jagged ones can cut into you), is where you have problems. I have heard a few women say it's was worse than childbirth.
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May 16th, 2018 at 12:19:57 AM permalink
I am up for poker for sure, hockey probably (poker is more fun). Doc, glad you're coming anyway. I'm here til Sunday night. You have my number. Anybody else in town wants to organize something, PM me or call. It's been a blast so far.
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May 16th, 2018 at 4:13:43 AM permalink
Harraha has a medium size poker room, and they don't seem to stay all that busy. Maybe we could gather on Friday around dinner time when a lot of people seem to get up for a bit and hold down a table there. There or wherever.
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Kidney stones can vary in their degree of pain depending on what kind, ...



For now, you are appointed the resident expert on kidney stones.
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May 16th, 2018 at 5:43:10 AM permalink
I've had surgery to remove a kidney stone THREE different times. I've also had at least three stones that I was able to pass on my own, without requiring surgery.

What others have said about the pain are true. The pain can be mild but at times it can also be so intense all you want to do is die. And this pain can go on for HOURS until it subsides. During these pain attacks you don't care about anybody or anything. You roll around in a ball on the floor, looking for some position in which the pain isn't so intense. But you can't find that position. It doesn't exist. But with such pain it doesn't stop you from trying.

After my last surgery, my last doc did a urine test and he said the answer was simple... I wasn't drinking enough water each day. I simply needed to drink more water. I was never a big water drinker. I never drank the "recommended" eight glasses of water each day.

This was two and a half years ago, and so far, he's been right. Since he told me to drink more water, I now drink water, all the time, even when I'm not thirsty. And so far I haven't had another stone problem since. I suspect my body is still producing the the stones, but at least now I'm flushing them out while they are still small.
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May 16th, 2018 at 5:48:24 AM permalink
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I've had surgery to remove a kidney stone THREE different times. I've also had at least three stones that I was able to pass on my own, without requiring surgery.

What others have said about the pain are true. The pain can be mild but at times it can also be so intense all you want to do is die. And this pain can go on for HOURS until it subsides. During these pain attacks you don't care about anybody or anything. You roll around in a ball on the floor, looking for some position in which the pain isn't so intense. But you can't find that position. It doesn't exist. But with such pain it doesn't stop you from trying.

After my last surgery, my last doc did a urine test and he said the answer was simple... I wasn't drinking enough water each day. I simply needed to drink more water. I was never a big water drinker. I never drank the "recommended" eight glasses of water each day.

This was two and a half years ago, and so far, he's been right. Since he told me to drink more water, I now drink water, all the time, even when I'm not thirsty. And so far I haven't had another stone problem since. I suspect my body is still producing the the stones, but at least now I'm flushing them out while they are still small.



Been there twice last one was in the hospital 3 days because my blood pressure shot up so high. Add lemon to the water which will dissolve them so my urologist said. I still drink coke but I almost always drink a glass of water with lemon first or will go a couple weeks on water only every month or so. Mcdonalds coke is my downfall
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:12:21 AM permalink
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Harraha has a medium size poker room, and they don't seem to stay all that busy. Maybe we could gather on Friday around dinner time when a lot of people seem to get up for a bit and hold down a table there. There or wherever.

I was under the assumption that the poker game would be after the dinner portion of the meetup on Saturday (5/19) as we don't know if everyone coming in will be in town prior/after.

Also, we'll more than likely be keeping the location of the game off the public forums. Given we want to have privacy at dinner, I'd only presume that the after hours shenanigans would be all the same. I was going to make a couple calls to see about availability and setting up a private game for us (I'm just hoping we have at least 6-8, as if we only have 3-4 more than likely they would either cancel or open the table to the public).
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:14:45 AM permalink
BTW, I didn't really mean to change the Spring Fling 2018 thread into a kidney stone thread. Just thought I should explain why I might miss two Spring Flings in a row.

Anyway, the you're-an-idiot plan is now underway. We are in the Charlotte airport awaiting our flight to Las Vegas via MSP.
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:29:14 AM permalink
As for poker, way back in the early days of these spring flings (before they were known by that name), a group of us played $1/$2 limit hold-em. I understand that serious poker players have little interest in such a game, but it let some of us non-players join in the social aspects without throwing away too much money. I made a $100 buy-in and kept most of it. I think I would have to opt out of a serious no-limit game, as I did once before -- I just don't know the game well enough.
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:51:27 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

As for poker, way back in the early days of these spring flings (before they were known by that name), a group of us played $1/$2 limit hold-em. I understand that serious poker players have little interest in such a game, but it let some of us non-players join in the social aspects without throwing away too much money. I made a $100 buy-in and kept most of it. I think I would have to opt out of a serious no-limit game, as I did once before -- I just don't know the game well enough.


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May 16th, 2018 at 9:23:13 AM permalink
For aficionados of new table games, Three Card Lowball Poker is back. It is having a new field trial at Bally's. It previously had one at the Railroad Pass. I don't want to get accused of flooding or hijacking, so please see my post about it in the Three Card Lowball Poker thread.
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May 16th, 2018 at 10:14:19 AM permalink
Doc, there is a pretty well known internet remedy for kidney stones dating back decades involving coke and asparagus. You blend the asparagus into a smoothie and drink it and follow that up with 72 ounces of Coke within an hour period. Yes, that is a lot of coke!

If you look at this remedy by ingredients, it doesn't make all that much sense as asparagus is alkaline, which is good for one type of kidney stone and bad for the other, while Coke is just the opposite, acidic and good for the second kind of stone, but bad for the first. Logic would tell you the two cancel each other out.

But when you are going through the kidney stone attack and I have been through two, you will try anything and everything. Both times I have used this treatment I passed my stones several hours later after enduring days and weeks of agony. So, while my brain tells me it doesn't make any sense, count me among the many that have tried this 'remedy' and now sing the praises of it. At the very lease I recommend giving it a try.
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May 16th, 2018 at 10:18:09 AM permalink
It doesn't sound like it would hurt. What the he'll do you have to lose?
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