For real?

How did I miss this?

rawtuff, do you have kids? If so, when you send them off to school every day, don't you expect them to be protected and feel safe? And don't you expect them to be treated with respect by the teachers and sent home to you in the same physical and mental state that they left that morning in? Of course you do! All parents do.

I raised my children believing this. And my children believe the same when they send my grandchildren off to school every day.

What she did is unconscionable! She is an authority figure who abused children. Age plays no part in it when considering matters of children. Boy or girl, it doesn't matter. They are still children.

If it were my son or grandson, 22 years wouldn't be nearly enough. And I would be there to protest every time she comes up for parole. Hopefully the kids parents will do the same.

She was a teacher, an authority figure and a predator. She's right where she belongs.

17 year old is not a child anymore. Not by the merits of nearly all the world. They have the right to consent.

Don't have children, but if my now 5 year old nephew gets involved with his female school teacher when he is 17 I'd be, honestly, happy for him. I wouldn't even think he has been suffering any damage due to this, inappropriate by any means, relationship. On the contrary.

I'd be all for her getting fired. Her place is not in the school. But if she would have been sentenced to 22 years in prison, I'd be like, WOW, this world is beyond any sanity.

People get drunk and drive and cause other people death and in the end get 5-11 years. 22 years is BEYOND sanity. Honestly.

I think I'm right in the middle on this. It's totally inappropriate for it to have been the kids' teacher. But for a 17 yo boy and a woman in her 20's or 30's or whatever? If a boy that age can be tried for murder (and he can), then he can screw whatever wants to be with him, and if it's a knowledgeable older woman who can teach him a couple of things, good for both of them.

22 years does seem excessive but we probably don't have all of the information that the courts had. The past allegations with the 8th grader were not prosecuted. You have to consider the reasons why there was no prosecution. Perhaps the parents of the victim were unwilling at that time because of the potential harm to there child from press coverage or just the other kids talking at school. Junior high is a traumatic time for kids so this may have been the reason. Does any one know whether there was evidence presented concerning these allegations? Maybe the parents of the 8th grader testified at the trial. This would make a big difference and would show a pattern of abuse. It certainly looks like this teacher was a serial offender.

I don't know what a man or a male teacher would get as a sentence but 22 years does seen like a long time. However if a male teacher had shown a pattern of abuse that sentence wouldn't be so surprising because people would say the he "took advantage" of the girls where not many people are saying that this teacher took advantage of the boys. It is seen differently.

The bottom line here is she should have known better.

In my state there are age difference guidelines that the state uses in adult / minor sexual situations. I don't recall offhand but it is something like a 3 or 4 year difference and I believe it is adjusted down as the ages go down. So a 20 yo with a 17 yo might be ok where a 21 and 17 or 17 and 13 might not be. This seems more reasonable to me.

The reason that the DUI manslaughter cases are so out of whack is that alcohol is so prevalent in our society and many of our lawmakers, juries and probably even many judges have driven after drinking and they think to themselves that they are lucky that this has never happened to them and wouldn't want someone else to send them away for life like they would if it was a homicide with a gun. DUI deaths are not usually treated as the serious crime that it is since most adults have at one time or another driven after drinking, this is a big problem in the USA, and probably in many other countries too.

yes, she committed a crime. yes, she took advantage of a mintiputable minor. yes, she gets what she deserves. This is absolutely terrible, and I do not want my future children growing up in a world where they must not only please teacher, but please her sexually. In all honesty, if she's looking for love at work/school, she has no business working there to begin with.. All the more reason I feel like i'm being forced to send my future kids to private school or homeschool.. I honestly see no defense for this. Yes she may be in her 20s, but she's the authority figure in the classroom, and teens are very much impressionable up until, or even after the end of highschool

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yes, she committed a crime. yes, she took advantage of a mintiputable minor. yes, she gets what she deserves. This is absolutely terrible, and I do not want my future children growing up in a world where they must not only please teacher, but please her sexually. In all honesty, if she's looking for love at work/school, she has no business working there to begin with.. All the more reason I feel like i'm being forced to send my future kids to private school or homeschool.. I honestly see no defense for this. Yes she may be in her 20s, but she's the authority figure in the classroom, and teens are very much impressionable up until, or even after the end of highschool

No, no no no no no.
This is plain ridiculous, that's what it is.
She didn't commit any crime ffs. Those "children" were 17. You get it? 17! People died for their country in that age a century ago.
What's absolutely terrible is the age of consent in US.
Plenty more cases like the above since 2015 and plenty ridiculous as well. It's just that in this country the legislative system is kinda... bizarre.

Perhaps we should ask that Frenchman who at 14 had an affair with a married woman .... didn't seem to harm him in any way..... what did he become: president or premier or something like that?

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Perhaps we should ask that Frenchman who at 14 had an affair with a married woman .... didn't seem to harm him in any way..... what did he become: president or premier or something like that?

Or perhaps we should just ask the world. What is the age we shouldn't expect people to be put in jail for having intimate relationships with other people, when does this magical age come true.
For me it should definitely be under 18 and above 14 (or even above 15). You can't, you just CAN NOT be put in prison for 20 years for having a love affair with a person in their 17's ffs, no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

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You can't, you just CAN NOT be put in prison for 20 years for having a love affair with a person in their 17's ffs, no.

I agree. People get single-digit sentences for killing someone.

Would you be so forgiving if it was a priest having sex with a seventeen year old?
I think there is a huge difference between a teacher having sex with a student, and a customer picking up a bus boy, for example.
The state dictates we send our children to school. We expect them to be protected from sexual predictors while there.