JohnnyQ
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September 26th, 2012 at 5:46:06 PM permalink
Anyone else watch this last night ?

I had been looking forward to this program,
I thought the promo teasers for the past
month were pretty cool.

Gotta love the line "I'm the law in this
town, and I'll decide who's breakin' it".

Anyway, it wasn't quite as good as I
had hoped, but I'll watch it again next
week to see how the plot and characters
develop.

A writing credit goes to Nicholas
Pileggi, who wrote the book
CASINO, followed by the movie
with DeNiro, Pesci, and Stone.
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September 26th, 2012 at 6:34:02 PM permalink
I watched it. I'm not sure I cared for it. Other than the period costumes and hairdos (which weren't all that authentic anyway) it was just another cop show.

I thought Dennis Quaid was a bit old to be playing such a tough guy; I mean really, would a city the size of Las Vegas hire a man who was pushing 60 and never worked for their police force before to be the new sheriff, based solely on something he did 15 years ago?

One thing I noticed that should have been caught by someone: Towards the end when they arrested the guy, he didn't say, "Don't I get one phone call?" Instead he immediately asked for his attorney, the cops backed off the way they would have to do today, and the lawyer started complaining that his client's civil rights were being violated. I'm not sure what part of 60s this is supposed to be, but I seriously doubt an accused murderer's "civil rights" would have been an issue.
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September 26th, 2012 at 6:38:40 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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September 26th, 2012 at 6:50:53 PM permalink
June 13. 1966 Supreme Court Arizona versus Miranda. Miranda text not finalized until 1968.
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September 26th, 2012 at 6:51:00 PM permalink
Boring and dumb, it will be cancelled by Jan.
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September 26th, 2012 at 6:56:27 PM permalink
First episode was set in 1960 so no civil rights violated.
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September 26th, 2012 at 6:57:47 PM permalink
Quote: tsmith


One thing I noticed that should have been caught by someone: Towards the end when they arrested the guy, he didn't say, "Don't I get one phone call?" Instead he immediately asked for his attorney, the cops backed off the way they would have to do today, and the lawyer started complaining that his client's civil rights were being violated. I'm not sure what part of 60s this is supposed to be, but I seriously doubt an accused murderer's "civil rights" would have been an issue.



I don't know the exact time frame, and I missed the show. But Miranda v. Arizona was decided in 1966, so if it's set right after that point then maybe the whole "civil rights" thing would have been an especially touchy subject.
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September 26th, 2012 at 7:08:25 PM permalink
I defer and trust the judgment of buzzpaff and EvenBob on this,
For the reasons they mentioned and because they were around in those days.
You guys are like the Statler and Waldorf of WOV,
I may not always agree with you but you are
Two of the reasons I tune in.
I wish you guys had a radio show....
:)
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September 26th, 2012 at 7:14:53 PM permalink
I watched the show. I am a sucker for Dennis Quaid. Just like the guy. Carrie Ann Moss is fine, as is Chiklis. It ain't Shakespeare, but what is these days? Btw, Quaid is named for the actual Sheriff of Clark County from 1961-79 I believe.
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September 26th, 2012 at 7:17:35 PM permalink
Quote: tsmith

I watched it. I'm not sure I cared for it. Other than the period costumes and hairdos (which weren't all that authentic anyway) it was just another cop show.
.



If they don't get a good scripts, they're just throwing money away on sets and actor salaries.
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September 26th, 2012 at 7:38:14 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo


I wish you guys had a radio show....
:)



Bob and Buzz could fill the shoes left by the Car Talk guys!
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September 26th, 2012 at 7:44:21 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

I defer and trust the judgment of buzzpaff and EvenBob on this,
For the reasons they mentioned and because they were around in those days.
You guys are like the Statler and Waldorf of WOV,
I may not always agree with you but you are
Two of the reasons I tune in.
I wish you guys had a radio show....
:)





I applaud the Statler and Waldorf reference!!!
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:06:08 PM permalink
" I defer and trust the judgment of buzzpaff and EvenBob "

Dangerously close to suspension for reasons of insanity.
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:24:55 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I applaud the Statler and Waldorf reference!!!



We do not look like Muppets. At least I don't..
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:31:46 PM permalink
Me neither. I never saw a Muppet in an orange prison jump suit.

But I am old enough to remember Wilkins coffee commercials, the first tv appearance of any Muppet.
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:33:14 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

We do not look like Muppets. At least I don't..





Oh boy seems like all the board members are sensitive lately (including me)

BOB- I was not implying you look like a muppet - I was merely stating that a reference to the curmudgeonly duo in the balcony is always welcome.
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:37:05 PM permalink
Hey Screw the editorial comments. get back to winning MONEY !
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:39:46 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Hey Screw the editorial comments. get back to winning MONEY !




I posted an update Buzz...
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:43:21 PM permalink
And how much have you won in the last 3 minutes, slacker ? LOL
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September 26th, 2012 at 8:55:55 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades



BOB- I was not implying you look like a muppet -



Buzz is on the left..

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September 26th, 2012 at 9:00:59 PM permalink
Outdated Photo I no longer have a mustache.

Notice Bob is the one with the open mouth as he can never shut up.

PS Mission Statement of a known fact is not an insult.
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September 26th, 2012 at 10:27:44 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

If they don't get a good scripts, they're just throwing money away on sets and actor salaries.

Yeah, he was quite a character as a sheriff and its a questionably good idea for a show, but its all based on images and vague references to bodies out in the desert and skimming .... no substance, just hype.

Reminds me of a cartoon from the early days of television when shows such as Palladin, Doctor Kilgare reigned supreme: a guy brought in an idea for a new show: A man dressed as a surgeon and carrying the scales of justice sitting astride his horse. The cartoon's caption was "Can't Miss".

The show: slow, boring, shallow ... and not enough tits.
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September 26th, 2012 at 10:39:56 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The show: slow, boring, shallow ... and not enough tits.



The Playboy Club show last year had plenty of the latter, and it did not help them. In fact, it was pretty much the reason it got unwanted and unfavorable attention
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September 26th, 2012 at 10:41:24 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff



The show: slow, boring, shallow ... and not enough tits.



I won't watch another one. I kinda knew this from
the gitgo. It just sounded like a boring idea for
a TV show.
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September 26th, 2012 at 11:19:46 PM permalink
If people interested in gambling think this show sucks, then it's in major trouble. I was turned off by the previews alone. Love the Statler and Waldorf reference though!
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September 27th, 2012 at 7:33:14 AM permalink
That biker gang gave me an idea. Merge Vegas and Sons Of Anarchy together. Now that would be a show. For good measure they could bring back tough guy Ed Deline from the old Las Vegas show as a younger version of himself.

I'm still waiting for the producers to get back to me. :)
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September 27th, 2012 at 9:11:07 AM permalink
I really miss the HBO show 'Luck'.
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September 27th, 2012 at 9:44:12 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Anyone else watch this last night ?

A writing credit goes to Nicholas
Pileggi, who wrote the book
CASINO, followed by the movie
with DeNiro, Pesci, and Stone.



Just watched online, not bad. Some room to grow the charachters, though it might have been better as a cable show.

Anyone else notice:

-IIRC, dated as "1960" but the thunbderbird was at least a 1961
-Producers put a "Whites Only" sign on the bathroom but not one cigarette smoked the entire show

I'm sure there are other similar errors we can find. Why can't I just enjoy a show once in awhile?
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September 27th, 2012 at 10:10:34 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

I really miss the HBO show 'Luck'.



enjoy, just make sure your pop up blocker is activated.
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September 27th, 2012 at 10:23:46 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Just watched online, not bad. Some room to grow the charachters, though it might have been better as a cable show.

Anyone else notice:

-IIRC, dated as "1960" but the thunbderbird was at least a 1961
-Producers put a "Whites Only" sign on the bathroom but not one cigarette smoked the entire show

I'm sure there are other similar errors we can find. Why can't I just enjoy a show once in awhile?[/

The T Bird looked like a '63 to me. The Lincoln, Caddy and police cars were '61 and '62. Granted there could have been 1961 cars at the tail end of 1960 but it's a stretch.

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September 27th, 2012 at 12:37:14 PM permalink
I think the show has potential. The two decades between the premier and Dan Tanna rolling down the Strip in his red convertible were a rich period in history. I can't wait for Howard Hughes to show up.

Is writer Nicholas Pileggi related to Mitch Pileggi, who played Walter Skinner on the X-Files?
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September 27th, 2012 at 1:04:51 PM permalink
i was kinda watching it but not fully paying attention. What was the purpose of the motorcycle stealing a slot machine? Just to show that the gang was up to no good?
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September 27th, 2012 at 1:22:45 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

i was kinda watching it but not fully paying attention. What was the purpose of the motorcycle stealing a slot machine? Just to show that the gang was up to no good?



Pretty much. I think it also demonstrated just how "Wild" the west was, even in 1960.
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September 27th, 2012 at 1:54:39 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Pretty much. I think it also demonstrated just how "Wild" the west was, even in 1960.



In 1960, the wild west and cowboy theme permeated
Vegas. Even in the mid 70's, when I started going,
there was a lot of emphasis on a western theme.

Thank god its mostly gone now. Now when tourists
see the big neon cowboy and cowgirl Downtown, they
don't really know that in the 40's and 50's Vegas was
all about the wild west, and cowboy hats and string
ties and all that crap. Shudder..
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September 27th, 2012 at 2:57:59 PM permalink
In California and Nevada motorcycle gangs would run wild, often overwhelming local police forces in small towns. Long distance direct dial was just coming into vogue with many towns still having only one trunk line for phone service and mutual assistance pacts didn't really exist yet, so some towns really had problems but I think the incident depicted was a bit excessive. The expert on this would of course be Marlon Brando.(Or Pacomartin, our resident expert on all things).

Signage was a cutesy Hollywood touch, very artificial. Probably not authentic at all for the time or place, although Sammy Davis Jr. did complain that he could work in Vegas, but not rent a room there or dance with a white woman there. That Dealer with a wrist watch and a high value chip under it was pure hokey. Watches and pockets were banned even back then.

Producers often want realistic costumes and prices and products in the background but sometimes it can be overdone. Hiring teamsters to drive all the old cars as background traffic can be expensive. And no proud owner wants dust or mud on his vehicle during the filming no matter how unrealistic it looks to have all those background cars going by looking all clean and shiny.
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September 27th, 2012 at 4:51:30 PM permalink
Quote:



Signage was a cutesy Hollywood touch, very artificial. Probably not authentic at all for the time or place, although Sammy Davis Jr. did complain that he could work in Vegas, but not rent a room there or dance with a white woman there. That Dealer with a wrist watch and a high value chip under it was pure hokey. Watches and pockets were banned even then.



While that Vegas was segregated is not disputed the sign looked fake. First most signs I've sen say "white" not "whites only." Second it looked like an employee only area where segregated restrooms would be less likely. I still find the lack of smoking noticible. Almost half of adults smoked them

The watch is a maybe. In Pelehgi's book Rosenthal claims he caught a dealer same as Chicklis did. That was late 60s.
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September 27th, 2012 at 5:56:07 PM permalink
I'm going to give the show another chance. The potential
for greatness with Dennis Quaid and Michael Chiklis is at
least equal to the potential for mediocrity.

I'd like to see cameo appearances by Oscar Goodman
and the Wiz. James Caan would be a huge bonus too.
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September 27th, 2012 at 6:42:34 PM permalink
I'll watch one more ep. Somebody mentioned in another
forum that the cars were all wrong, they were from 1963
and 61 and 64. I wasn't paying attention but I will be next
time.
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September 27th, 2012 at 6:46:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I'll watch one more ep. Somebody mentioned in another
forum that the cars were all wrong, they were from 1963
and 61 and 64. I wasn't paying attention but I will be next
time.




fROM THIS THREAD " The T Bird looked like a '63 to me. The Lincoln, Caddy and police cars were '61 and '62. Granted there could have been 1961 cars at the tail end of 1960 but it's a stretch.
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September 27th, 2012 at 6:59:43 PM permalink
I love that the show is being picked apart for set design and continuity...
It's like being at UCLA film school.
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September 27th, 2012 at 6:59:57 PM permalink
I thought downtown area was terrible. They showed authentic signage (Golden Nugget and Horseshoe) next to bogus places like the Savoy (written in a modern script typeface). Then there was the Mint with its unmistakable pink swoosh canopy lights out front, except the producers called it something else entirely. That scene flew by so fast I didn't catch the name, but it wasn't the Mint. Then they showed the Boulder Club, with its correct sign, but the Boulder Club burned down in 1960 and became part of the Horseshoe. The producers didn't do their homework and the whole thing loses credibility.

I thought Dennis Quaid was way too old to be believable in this role. Chiklis was well-cast though.

I caught a couple modern-day clichés thrown around that couldn't have been in vogue back then. And that big watch looked like a modern Rolex to me. McCarran was tiny; I guess that's true.
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September 27th, 2012 at 7:03:46 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

I love that the show is being picked apart for set design and continuity...
It's like being at UCLA film school.



I'll add one then. Chicklis said "it blocks the eye." In 1960 at most they had catwalks. No cameras would have been feasable.
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September 27th, 2012 at 8:08:45 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

I thought downtown area was terrible. They showed authentic signage (Golden Nugget and Horseshoe) next to bogus places like the Savoy (written in a modern script typeface). Then there was the Mint with its unmistakable pink swoosh canopy lights out front, except the producers called it something else entirely. That scene flew by so fast I didn't catch the name, but it wasn't the Mint. Then they showed the Boulder Club, with its correct sign, but the Boulder Club burned down in 1960 and became part of the Horseshoe. The producers didn't do their homework and the whole thing loses credibility.

I thought Dennis Quaid was way too old to be believable in this role. Chiklis was well-cast though.

I caught a couple modern-day clichés thrown around that couldn't have been in vogue back then. And that big watch looked like a modern Rolex to me. McCarran was tiny; I guess that's true.



This reminds me of the movie "About Last Night", with Rob Lowe and Demi Moore. It was filmed in Chicago, and some of it took place in a bar on Division St called Mother's. I happened to be in that area when the movie came out, and we used to frequent Division St.
The catch was, the movie supposedly showed them in Mother's shooting basketballs in a basket, except that didn't really exist in Mother's. It was in a bar 2 doors down called Shenanigans. So the exterior shots were really of Mother's bar, but the interior shots were really of the bar Shenanigans.

Just a useless piece of memory recall from 1986. I'm just tickled I can remember anything from 26 years ago.
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September 27th, 2012 at 8:31:13 PM permalink
" I'm just tickled I can remember anything from 26 years ago."

I am just hoping law enforcement has forgotten everything past 26 years ago.
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September 28th, 2012 at 3:41:41 AM permalink
Want a really dynamite show about Las Vegas?...

Watch the National Geographic channel early Saturday morning: Las Vegas landmarks demolished.
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September 28th, 2012 at 7:19:01 AM permalink
Vegas really knows how to blow stuff up real good...
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September 28th, 2012 at 10:22:46 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I'll add one then. Chicklis said "it blocks the eye." In 1960 at most they had catwalks. No cameras would have been feasable.

That struck me as odd too, but I'll stretch to think that the "Savoy" was a brand new place, so they would have the latest technology in use.

Edit: Perhaps it is just my TV, but the outdoor lighting doesn't come across as harshly as the actual Nevada desert. It seems like the sky is always partly cloudy (which I suppose it is on the backlot in California).

Also, didn't most folks still ride the train to Las Vegas in 1960? Air travel was still relatively expensive back then.
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September 28th, 2012 at 11:11:32 AM permalink
Quote:

Edit: Perhaps it is just my TV, but the outdoor lighting doesn't come across as harshly as the actual Nevada desert. It seems like the sky is always partly cloudy (which I suppose it is on the backlot in California).


I think it's New Mexico. It certainly doesn't feel like Vegas when they shoot outdoors, there isn't one mountain in the background. Scenes from the ranch show a perfectly flat horizon.
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September 28th, 2012 at 11:15:36 AM permalink
Quote: NickyDim

I think it's New Mexico. It certainly doesn't feel like Vegas when they shoot outdoors, there isn't one mountain in the background. Scenes from the ranch show a perfectly flat horizon.



They built the set just outside LA, about 20min
from where Quaid lives. Its the only way he would
do the show, so he could go home every night.
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September 28th, 2012 at 11:18:59 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They built the set just outside LA, about 20min
from where Quaid lives. Its the only way he would
do the show, so he could go home every night.



And the rest of them will be shot there.....

Quote:

The pilot for “Vegas” was shot in Albuquerque, Santa Fe and another Las Vegas — in New Mexico — to take advantage of that state’s tax credit.


source
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