Let me preface this by saying I am a met fan. Watch this play. It would have been a bang-bang play at first. It could have been scored an error. However it CANNOT be reversed. And probably won't.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22271383
he should have remembered that he is a gold glove award winner,
not a golden hand.
he definitely had enough time to glove it.
edit: it took a lot of courage for you to come out
as a mets fan
look at the video again,
it was a chop that was bouncing.
Quote: dwheatley... Do we really care if the Mets care credited with a no-hitter or not?
FORGIVE ME, I just wanted to interject a change of pace in the subject matter.
Quote: only1choiceHowever it CANNOT be reversed. And probably won't.
No question that's a error. What makes you say that it cannot be reversed? Can't the official scorer submit a proposed scoring change to the league office within 7 days of the game's conclusion?
Quote: rdw4potusNo question that's a error. What makes you say that it cannot be reversed? Can't the official scorer submit a proposed scoring change to the league office within 7 days of the game's conclusion?
They did not reverse this blatant mistake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp8ST0WidfA&feature=related
Also the play is clearly a hit. The reason Wright barehanded it in the first place is because he knew he had no chance at the runner if he gloved it. It would have taken an exceptional defensive play to get Upton at first. Thats why it's a hit.
i now realize that the ball bounced TWICE,
and was likely moving fairly slowly.
so i retract my original contention that this was definitely an error.
i think it is up to the umpires to decide and call it as they see it.
i still think he might have had time to glove it and have a chance at the play.
he definitely should have bare-handed it.
i think he took his eye off the ball too soon.
i can see why they awarded this as a hit,
but i can also see why some would call it an error.
Personally I would have ruled it E5, but I'm not a member of the BBWAA so I don't get a say in the matter.
By ruling it a Hit, the scorer is essentially saying that the only way the play could have been made successfully is if it was barehanded successfully, which is no easy feat. You often see similar rulings when the 3rd baseman has to charge in and try to barehand a ball and miss.
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Personally I would have ruled it E5, but I'm not a member of the BBWAA so I don't get a say in the matter.
Are the scorers members of the BBWAA? I'd never thought of them as writers before, but I suppose they do write a version of the story of the game.
it's sports: the ultimate sublimation of aggression and homosexual desire.
j/k
Ken
The scorer made the correct call "Tough chance base hit." Wright made the best play he could, and again it was at very best 50/50.
Lets take the Humans out of the game except for the Players/Managers. NO, NOT.
I am a Mets fan since '65. Now Gallaraga's perfecto spoiled is totally diferent, and is a blown call. No excuse for that, and I feel it should have been overturned by the Commissioner using very special language.
Quote:I think the MLB needs to investigate the number of no hitters this year and the last. Baseball that is pitching duels is a bit of a curate's egg.
This just in... it seems that testing has scared off a few dozen hitters. Pitchers are taking advantage
Quote: 98ClubsNo, it was a scorer's judgement call. The probability of a conventional fielded play was at best with a perfect throw 50/50.
The scorer made the correct call "Tough chance base hit." Wright made the best play he could, and again it was at very best 50/50.
Lets take the Humans out of the game except for the Players/Managers. NO, NOT.
This call, as noted above, could have been changed by the scorer or by the League President.
"The official scorer shall make all decisions concerning judgment calls within 24 hours after a game concludes or is suspended. A player or club may request that the League President review a judgment call of an official scorer made in a game in which such player or club participated, by notifying the League President in writing or by approved electronic means within 24 hours of the conclusion or suspension of such game, or within 24 hours of the official scorer’s call, in the event the official scorer changes a call within 24 hours after a game concludes or is suspended, as provided in this Rule 10.01(a). "
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Quote: 98ClubsI am a Mets fan since '65. Now Gallaraga's perfecto spoiled is totally diferent, and is a blown call. No excuse for that, and I feel it should have been overturned by the Commissioner using very special language.
While it was a horrid call, there is no "real" method to overturn it save him doing something like you have suggested. It is too bad he lost a perfect game on a blown call but, without expansion of replay, calls by umpires that are in error will stand.
The chalk is there for a REASON.
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE.....call.
A no hitter? (LMAO) Hell no.
Ken
Quote: rdw4potusAre the scorers members of the BBWAA? I'd never thought of them as writers before, but I suppose they do write a version of the story of the game.
Oops I stand corrected, it appears the BBWAA membership is no longer required. (Originally the official scorers were the local beat writers, etc)
I learned how to score games at a very young age for my dad's fastpitch softball team. I never had to 'prove' the box score though so I never learned that skill. I imagine computers do that now.
I applied to be a Stats Stringer for the Seattle Mariners one summer but did not get a call back.
Quote: mrjjjIts kind of like the narrow YELLOW fencing for home runs. Its there for a REASON, correct? On one side, a HR....the other side, not a HR.....if it hits the YELLOW, its a HR. This isn't tough fellas.
The chalk is there for a REASON.
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE.....call.
A no hitter? (LMAO) Hell no.
Ken
Bad calls happen. It's the human part of the game. It was a terrible call. But if automate everything, is it still the same game? Players drop catches, umpires drop decisions.
Not as terrible as Galarraga being robbed of his perfect game :
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100602&content_id=10727590&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=det