Why is there so much hostility on this web site?
I'm not looking to start a fight but some of my co-members need to get a life! Aren't we all here for the same purpose, to beat the house. Some members have decided it's easier to beat co-members behind their keyboards. How sad.
Welcome to the WoV board. As you have seen, most people here are quick to jump on anyone who suggests that they've found a method to beat a game that has a house edge. Most posters on this site are well aware that a -EV game cannot be beaten by any wagering method. Keep in mind that the game you are talking about is 00 roulette which has one of the higher house edges... you could at least find yourself a single 0 game and cut that edge in half right out of the gate... but that's neither her nor there.
Here's the pont... if you believe that you have found a way to beat the game, good for you. If you believe that your strategy has made you money, it doesn't matter whether or not it actually has or whether or not anyone here will believe you. You must understand that it has been mathematically shown again and again that this is not possible. For you to go against the grain by stating that you've discovered what many others (some who were rather bright individuals, such as Einstein himself) have not is simply going to place the burden of proof on your own shoulders. The fact is though that you don't need to show any proof. If it works then go make lots of money and laugh at the world for not having the smarts to do what you're doing... but without a smidgen of proof to hold the naysayers at bay, please don't sit there and tell us that you're right and we're wrong. Why not? Because no one here will believe you. If you can understand that simple truth then perhaps you can see why it is pointless to continue to tell anyone here that you've found a method to beat roulette.
UNLESS... unless the whole point of you posting here is to stir the pot (which most people here will believe much more readily) in which case you're simply trolling and in my opinion, most here would say that you're not welcome with that attitude.
So, you've made your point. You've beaten roulette. Congratulations. Now, enjoy the great information that this site has to offer, enjoy all the money you're making at roulette and please stop wasting everyone's time by being a nusiance.
The number of hours combined, playing and testing has to be in the thousands. Trial and error I always say. Guys like you kill me, because *YOU* are not doing well playing (I assume?), then that means, no one else can. Hmmm, kind of strange and convenient. Rookies like you dont scare me on boards so take your act and your false pleasantries elsewhere. This isn't my first rodeo. Ken
Yet, people keep coming along and touting "systems". Tirelessly, and tiresomely. Day after day. And each and every one of them thinks that they--unlike the last several thousand who have also tried--have come up with some way around the simple fact of negative expectation. They are saying, in effect, that they have managed to find a way to add up negative numbers and end up with a positive result.
The people who tout such systems are either fools or frauds. Since there's usually no sales pitch delivered along with most posts advocating a "new" "system", such persons can safely be relegated to the category of "fool". However, in many cases it is apparent that said fool is seeking validation of his system, having rather profound misgivings about it and hoping that the knowledgable people here will confirm that he has indeed found a way to spin straw into gold.
You have to understand that the purpose of this site is to provide people with gambling INFORMATION and to give them a forum for the exchange of legitimate ideas. Everyone here is sick to death of reading pamphlets and books and website postings about the latest EZ-Can't-Lose--100% Foolproof BEAT THE CASINO system (just send $9.95 plus $40 shipping and handling).
In short, the hostilty expressed is the same hostlity one might except to see someone express if a bag of garbage had been dumped on his front porch.
It is not well known, but the phrase "get a life!" owes to the early days of video games: when a player got enough points they would earn another life and could continue playing. So to "get a life" means to play a game compulsively so as to gain skill at a meaningless task, thereby earning a special bonus.Quote: only1choice
I'm not looking to start a fight but some of my co-members need to get a life!
Oh, I guess it means to learn how to card count at blackjack and then get comps on top of that.
More commonly, to "get a life!" means "I think your life is full of meaningless activities. You need to do more things that I consider meaningful."
With that said, I am going to water more dirt. You may not believe I do that, but I do. This is a true thing I do. Kansas is not an easy place to live. I suppose I should get a life.
--Dorothy
That's a great thing! You are a really good person for not needing praise! The world needs more people like you -- praiseworthy but humble.Quote: mrjjjI need ZERO posts giving praise.
--Dorothy
Quote: DorothyGaleThat's a great thing! You are a really good person for not needing praise! The world needs more people like you -- praiseworthy but humble.
--Dorothy
I think he expressed that sentiment more as an acknowledgment of realistic expectations rather than humility, but still, we must praise the realistic person (or at least, realistic apart from his gaming "strategies").
And Dorothy, what are you hoping to grow in that dirt? Winter is a comin', gal.
Quote: DorothyGaleIt is not well known, but the phrase "get a life!" owes to the early days of video games: when a player got enough points they would earn another life and could continue playing. So to "get a life" means to play a game compulsively so as to gain skill at a meaningless task, thereby earning a special bonus.
Oh, I guess it means to learn how to card count at blackjack and then get comps on top of that.
More commonly, to "get a life!" means "I think your life is full of meaningless activities. You need to do more things that I consider meaningful."
With that said, I am going to water more dirt. You may not believe I do that, but I do. This is a true thing I do. Kansas is not an easy place to live. I suppose I should get a life.
--Dorothy
No, "get a life" means "kill me because I'm annoying, and suck my life force into yours so that you live longer than you otherwise might have". It is a request that too often remains unfulfilled.
I water the dirt to keep down the dust, not to grow anything ... really now ... I guess you don't know Kansas like I know Kansas ...Quote: mkl654321And Dorothy, what are you hoping to grow in that dirt?
--Dorothy
Quote: DorothyGaleI water the dirt to keep down the dust, not to grow anything ... really now ... I guess you don't know Kansas like I know Kansas ...
--Dorothy
Yep. I live in a place without tornadoes or blizzards. I'll sing you a song I wrote about it:
The Oregon Song (sung sort of to the tune of that song about Jamaica)
Chorus:
Oregon, Oregon
Come to the land of occasional sun
We got the Cascade Range and the beaches fair
Pine trees and wineries and fragrant air
Everyone here lives really green
No one's ever, ever mean
No sales tax, and yes, it's true,
We'll even pump your gas for you.
(Chorus)
Shakespeare plays in Ashland
Lunatics in ashrams
The coolest part of living here:
Eighteen thousand kinds of beer.
(Chorus)
Waterfalls to make you wet
Hot spring spas to make you sweat
Organic farms to keep you fed
Grow berries bigger than your head
(Chorus)
The weather's good as it can get
No tsunamis (at least not yet)
No Californians (well, just a few)
Oregon is the place for you!
(Chorus x2)
Quote: luckyjackgI agree with only1choice. I have watched this site turn from a gambling forum to a battle ground. I look for interesting stories of gambling, not of disagreements over crap. Let's go back to having fun. No one will beat the house over the long run. However we can beat the house in 3 or 4 days. Tell me how?
The site started with a lot of well-meaning people posting their martingale ideas and genuinely needed the math explained to them. It was done rationally and in a friendly manner, and usually it ended peaceably. Sometimes the "system-people" come, and usually the only reason the veterans of the board respond is not to "start a fight" but to not allow flawed math logic to go unanswered. You figure there are many people frequenting these boards for the first time EVERY DAY. We don't want some poster to convince a newbie that there's a way to beat roulette, so the post must be answered. In that respect (and in that respect alone), I concede that mkl may not be off-base in correcting everyone's typos and misspellings. There is something (I don't know how much, but something) to be said for not allowing untruths, errors, or mistakes to be unaddressed. When it's petty and the mistake is superficial, that "something" may be tiny and the cost of said correction larger...
Quote: cclub79The site started with a lot of well-meaning people posting their martingale ideas and genuinely needed the math explained to them. It was done rationally and in a friendly manner, and usually it ended peaceably. Sometimes the "system-people" come, and usually the only reason the veterans of the board respond is not to "start a fight" but to not allow flawed math logic to go unanswered. You figure there are many people frequenting these boards for the first time EVERY DAY. We don't want some poster to convince a newbie that there's a way to beat roulette, so the post must be answered. In that respect (and in that respect alone), I concede that mkl may not be off-base in correcting everyone's typos and misspellings. There is something (I don't know how much, but something) to be said for not allowing untruths, errors, or mistakes to be unaddressed. When it's petty and the mistake is superficial, that "something" may be tiny and the cost of said correction larger...
This happens on ALL gambling forums. You eventually run low on gambling related topics and start discussing broader subjects. People moan and wring their hands, but they don't start any new gambling threads, they wait for everybody else to do it. I say, if you don't like the current threads, start new ones. Or shut up about it.
I'm a fictional character created by L. Frank Baum ... and, I'm a fictional virgin ... and I'm fictionally underage ... and I don't take too kindly to strangers ... so this all comes off as somewhat icky ...Quote: mkl654321I'll sing you a song I wrote about it
--Dorothy
Quote: DorothyGaleI'm a fictional character created by L. Frank Baum ... and, I'm a fictional virgin ... and I'm fictionally underage ... and I don't take too kindly to strangers ... so this all comes off as somewhat icky ...
--Dorothy
Aw c'mon. The Dorothy I knew from Baum's stories was quite engaging with strangers--even ones of different species. Some people are creeped out by Munchkins, you know.
No more songs, if you want, though. Some-WHERRRRRRRRE over the rainbow.....(choke, gurgle)
Quote: cclub79The site started with a lot of well-meaning people posting their martingale ideas and genuinely needed the math explained to them. It was done rationally and in a friendly manner, and usually it ended peaceably. Sometimes the "system-people" come, and usually the only reason the veterans of the board respond is not to "start a fight" but to not allow flawed math logic to go unanswered. You figure there are many people frequenting these boards for the first time EVERY DAY. We don't want some poster to convince a newbie that there's a way to beat roulette, so the post must be answered. In that respect (and in that respect alone), I concede that mkl may not be off-base in correcting everyone's typos and misspellings. There is something (I don't know how much, but something) to be said for not allowing untruths, errors, or mistakes to be unaddressed. When it's petty and the mistake is superficial, that "something" may be tiny and the cost of said correction larger...
There are only a few possibilities when someone posts a new EZ-win infallible "system" for beating a -EV game:
1. The person truly doesn't understand the math, and is under the genuine delusion that it can be overcome somehow.
2. The person suspects a system, and is hopefully looking for validation, or at worst, proof that it is bogus.
3. The person is a charlatan and a fraud who is hoping to sell a book or otherwise profit from people's delusions.
The proper treatment in each case:
1. A strong statement that not only is the math unsound, it COULD NOT be otherwise.
2. A strong statement that no such "system" has ever, or could ever, be devised: disappointing, but the truth.
3. The verbal equivalent of a swift kick in the butt.
Whichever case applies, it is unlikely that any response would be too severe. The uninformed need to be whupped upside the head--for their own good; the frauds need to be whupped as well.
Quote: EvenBobThis happens on ALL gambling forums. You eventually run low on gambling related topics and start discussing broader subjects. People moan and wring their hands, but they don't start any new gambling threads, they wait for everybody else to do it. I say, if you don't like the current threads, start new ones. Or shut up about it.
Don't limit this statement to gambling forums. This is true about the majority of internet discussion forums. Most people are good people. But it only takes a small minority of pot stirrers to screw up a site.
I agree each "I've got a system" post must be refuted. Sometimes though there are pot stirrers that just want to cause trouble. I have learned from experience on other sites to not reward the pot stirrer with attention. That is usually what they seek.
It would also be good for the admins of sites to be much more swift to act to ban pot stirrers. I have found that most admins, being good and just, take too long "cutting out cancers". These sites are not democracies. They are benevolent dictatorships. That's not a bad thing.
I am on a few Las Vegas and some sports discussion sites. You don't need controversy and fighting to keep a site interesting.
Quote: BigTipDon't limit this statement to gambling forums. This is true about the majority of internet discussion forums. Most people are good people. But it only takes a small minority of pot stirrers to screw up a site.
I wouldn't even limit it to forums; every corner of the Internet inevitably attracts someone who likes to 'stir the pot'.
This whole discussion reminds me of an applicable Penny Arcade comic, by the way.
Quote: It would also be good for the admins of sites to be much more swift to act to ban pot stirrers. I have found that most admins, being good and just, take too long "cutting out cancers". These sites are not democracies. They are benevolent dictatorships. That's not a bad thing.
I am on a few Las Vegas and some sports discussion sites. You don't need controversy and fighting to keep a site interesting.[/q
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