Sewage-Spelling and Garbage-Grammar
My opinion is that English is a hell of a lot easier than Math. If you botch your English, then likely your Math is worse. Hell, even the Wizard himself uses "less" rather than "fewer," when "fewer" is the correct adjective. "Fewer" is for items that can be counted with integers. "Less" is for non-countable stuff, that has to be measured, like water, sugar, love, hatred, tolerance, etc. ("etc" is the abbreviation for "et cetera," and I see endless clowns writing "ect." And mispronouncing it "ek cetera.")
Do most of you have *recent* educations that were deficient? Or did you receive a decent old-school education, preferring to snooze through Language Arts? Every one of us (not "everyone") must use language in daily life.
The worst errors in English are "would of," "could of," "should of." Isn't it obvious that those usages are wrong? When you type that, can't you recognize it's wrong? Or is your reading comprehension, of your own writing, just as faulty as your writing?
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Quote: indignant99Bad grammar and misspelling are two of my major pet peeves. And, 90% of you members are guilty of one or both. I correct grammar and spelling, with a vengeance, on YouTube. One guy once responded "I didn't come here to be treated like a fifth-grader." I further responded "Then don't spell and fracture grammar like a fifth-grader. Then I won't treat you like one."
My opinion is that English is a hell of a lot easier than Math. If you botch your English, then likely your Math is worse. Hell, even the Wizard himself uses "less" rather than "fewer," when "fewer" is the correct adjective. "Fewer" is for items that can be counted with integers. "Less" is for non-countable stuff, that has to be measured, like water, sugar, love, hatred, tolerance, etc. ("etc" is the abbreviation for "et cetera," and I see endless clowns writing "ect." And mispronouncing it "ek cetera.")
Do most of you have *recent* educations that were deficient? Or did you receive a decent old-school education, preferring to snooze through Language Arts? Every one of us (not "everyone") must use language in daily life.
The worst errors in English are "would of," "could of," "should of." Isn't it obvious that those usages are wrong? When you type that, can't you recognize it's wrong? Or is your reading comprehension, of your own writing, just as faulty as your writing?
---> hukked on fonix rilly wurkt for me. <--
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Quote: indignant99And, 90% of you members are guilty of one or both.
If you botch your English, then likely your Math is worse.
As you were saying...
Quote: djatcpaging Axelwolf
He's merely the runner-up. The Grammar-Butcher Extraordinaire is somebody "Super."
Quote: rudeboyoiBad spelling and grammar doesn't bother me. The purpose of language is to get a message across. Whether it's done crappily or not I could care less.
I agree. the point is to convey a thought to another person,so I don't care how it is worded as long as I can understand it.
Too often, bad grammar or incorrect word usage can get in the way of getting the message across. If I have to reread a post to understand it because of those kinds of errors, often I'll just skip it.Quote: rudeboyoiBad spelling and grammar doesn't bother me. The purpose of language is to get a message across. Whether it's done crappily or not I could care less.
Quote: djatcas long as I can understand it.
You have a lot of company (not "alot," which isn't a word, but used by many). And this kind of don't-care apathy pisses me off, too.
So, you are questioning the Wizard's math?Quote: indignant99My opinion is that English is a hell of a lot easier than Math. If you botch your English, then likely your Math is worse. Hell, even the Wizard himself uses "less" rather than "fewer," when "fewer" is the correct adjective.
Quote: rudeboyoiI could care less.
Right on cue (not "que").
Quote: JimRockfordSo, you are questioning the Wizard's math?
No. Well, occasionally.
Feel free to correct my poor grammar, though. I'm down with that.
Quote: HowManyI drink way too much alcohol to write well.
Feel free to correct my poor grammar, though. I'm down with that.
I admire that attitude. You can correct mine, as well.
I drink alcohol, too. Right now, in fact. But it does not damage my language skills, nor my gambling performance. (No snide comments about losing drunk, losing sober.)
Quote: Facetypical for someone good at math to be bad at English, and vice verse.
Big fat fallacy. (vice versa, by the way) I'm better at math (Degreed), than English. But I am no f'n slouch at English.
Quote: DJTeddyBearToo often, bad grammar or incorrect word usage can get in the way of getting the message across. If I have to reread a post to understand it because of those kinds of errors, often I'll just skip it.
Incorrect word usage can definitely get in the way of getting the message across since each word actually means something. The only reason misspelling and bad grammar might get in the way is because someone might find it irritating and focus on those mistakes instead of the content of the message itself. And when I say incorrect word usage I don't mean like the mistake of using "their" when it should be "there".
Quote: rudeboyoifind it irritating and focus on those mistakes
Guilty as charged. I can't ignore poor English. The mistakes in spelling and grammar actually flash and blink red at me. That sure as hell distracts me from "the author's message."
When I read things like "of" for "have", or "their" for "there", or "it's" for "its", the only message I get is that I'm confronted with a minus habens. Then of course I don't really feel compelled to give much attention to the content.Quote: indignant99Guilty as charged. I can't ignore poor English. The mistakes in spelling and grammar actually flash and blink red at me. That sure as hell distracts me from "the author's message."
I clearly distinguish those mistakes (which show a total misunderstanding of what is being written*) from excusable ones like "seige" for "siege" (true spelling mistakes; might be a typo).
*Actually, this shows a disrespect or miscomprehension for the STRUCTURE of language. Such a person cannot (can not, I insist) have a basic understanding of math, which is all about mastering structures.
In programming, they are supposed to be exceedingly attentive to not writing one "word" wrongly, aren't they? Should have become second nature... Yet it is not unusual to see three or four mistakes in one sentence. I saw three faults in a four-word sentence, once !
Why?
Quote: kubikulannOne mystery of life is, why do computer technicians have such a bad spelling? (statistical observation, don't f* me with that one counter-example)
In programming, they are supposed to be exceedingly attentive to not writing one "word" wrongly, aren't they? Should have become second nature... Yet it is not unusual to see three or four mistakes in one sentence. I saw three faults in a four-word sentence, once !
Why?
Well, I'm a programmer. One point that might contribute to the overall phenomenon is that if you make a typo while typing computer code, the compiler or interpreter will correct you the next time you run your code, so you'll be forced to correct it. Whereas if you're typing an email on a message board, you might or might not have a spell checker enabled. Most modern browsers have a spell checker built in to all form entries, but that doesn't help with grammar, or the you're/your mistakes of the world.
Quote: kubikulannOne mystery of life is, why do computer technicians have such a bad spelling? (statistical observation, don't f* me with that one counter-example)
In programming, they are supposed to be exceedingly attentive to not writing one "word" wrongly, aren't they? Should have become second nature... Yet it is not unusual to see three or four mistakes in one sentence. I saw three faults in a four-word sentence, once !
Why?
Maybe for a significant percentage of them, English wasn't their primary language.
Quote: kubikulannWhen I read things like "of" for "have", or "their" for "there", or "it's" for "its", the only message I get is that I'm confronted with a minus habens. Then of course I don't really feel compelled to give much attention to the content.
I clearly distinguish those mistakes (which show a total misunderstanding of what is being written*) from excusable ones like "seige" for "siege" (true spelling mistakes; might be a typo).
*Actually, this shows a disrespect or miscomprehension for the STRUCTURE of language. Such a person cannot (can not, I insist) have a basic understanding of math, which is all about mastering structures.
Most errors in language can easily be figured out through the context of the message than the context of a mathematical equation which is more difficult. Though you can still use the context of a mathematical equation to some degree to figure out somethings prob wrong. Like say you have denominators of 52, 51, 50, 49, then all of a sudden 38. You can realize that's prob an error.
An error in language isn't likely to make a significant difference to the overall message but an error in a mathematical equation is likely to make a significant difference to the overall message. That significance is why it's really no big deal in language but is a big deal in math. Though there prob is some correlation between the two. If you're sloppy in language you're likelier to be sloppy at math.
Quote: ThatDonGuyAs you were saying...
Well, that's pretty hilarious.
Quote: GWAEI couldn't care less about grammar. The way I look at it is fewer or correct because someone many years ago said it was. Justly like someone said f is a swear word. I just so happen to disagree with both so I choose to use the grammar that I feel is correct. If more people use improper grammar than proper grammar then wouldnot that then make the improper grammar the majority and turn it into the proper way.
I make up my own grammar a lot because I think it's easier to express my message. I'll use slashes often to say something. Instead of saying "if you do this then that will happen or if you do that then this will happen", I'll say "if you do this/that then that/this will happen".
Text-speak also used to bother me, but now I see it as simply an alternative value system in regards to communicating: rather than putting an emphasis on proper usage/spelling, the emphasis is on the speed with which one can communicate an idea. I'd love to see studies on how more efficient communication affects idea development, learning, etc. (et cetera, for you sticklers.)
Quote: kubikulannI saw three faults in a four-word sentence, once !
Indignant99 will probably have a fit about that comma and the space before the exclamation mark.
Reminds me of those 'know it all types ' who have absolutely NO common sense whatsoever. Ponder this little quote below mister know it all.
"The only things worth learning are the things you learn after you know it all"
- Harry S Truman -
Quote: indignant99Big fat fallacy. (vice versa, by the way) I'm better at math (Degreed), than English. But I am no f'n slouch at English.
Impressive. Feel free to correct this....
As for myself, I sometimes say I am a functional illiterate....who has done very well for myself. If you don't like it, I'll still be OK.
Are you deliberately baiting us by beginning a sentence with a subordinate conjunction? You'd love for me to tell you it's wrong.Quote: indignant99Big fat fallacy. (vice versa, by the way) I'm better at math (Degreed), than English. But I am no f'n slouch at English.
+1Quote: BozIt's like Floyd Mayweather says "I may not be able to read or write so well, but I sure can count money".
As for myself, I sometimes say I am a functional illiterate....who has done very well for myself. If you don't like it, I'll still be OK.
I once say a documentary on Robert Wagner. Towards the end he had a birthday celebration and at the venue there was a large handmade sign that said, "Your Great!"
Quote: BozIt's like Floyd Mayweather says "I may not be able to read or write so well, but I sure can count money".
As for myself, I sometimes say I am a functional illiterate....who has done very well for myself. If you don't like it, I'll still be OK.
Floyd doesn't know how to count money, he knows how to spend money.
Somehow I see "would of if I could of" as having more impact than "would have if I could have" in a situation such as a Fed and a Mafia-type discussing a recent interaction.Quote: indignant99
The worst errors in English are "would of," "could of," "should of."
Similar to the opening scenes in "safe room" when the ten year old girl changes her mother's very polite response to a "Get the F#$^ out of my house". It just sounds better sometimes.
Quote: indignant99Hell, even the Wizard himself uses "less" rather than "fewer," when "fewer" is the correct adjective.
Dang. Thank you for the correction. I will try to do that less times from now on.
